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20 Mar 2008, 9:29 pm

I remember having to read Of Mice and Men and really digging it
Lord of the RIngs too (before the movies came out)



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20 Mar 2008, 9:33 pm

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well a post like that seemed like you were itching for an argue, and Nico is my friend so...yeah I don't like people being mean to my friend

you will adapt


Heh - no. I don't look for arguments, and If I'd wanted to be mean you'd have seen what a ten year veteran of the internet's most vicious chatrooms is capable of. That would be bullying, though, and I hate bullies. My post was nothing more than a misconcieved attempt at a joke, one which unfortunately misfired and unintentionally caused offense.



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20 Mar 2008, 9:41 pm

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Relax, it's purely about the books and no reflection on the reader. Nothing personal, in other words :wink:

You called Holden a pathetic loser and I really identify with him as a person.


Holden is a pathetic loser because he does nothing but piss and moan about his circumstances, not because of his feelings of isolation or his social clumsiness - which is what people with AS recognise in his character.



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20 Mar 2008, 9:42 pm

your experience is irrelevant, I would adapt



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20 Mar 2008, 9:48 pm

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Holden is a pathetic loser because he does nothing but piss and moan about his circumstances, not because of his feelings of isolation or his social clumsiness - which is what people with AS recognise in his character.

Maybe because he's depressed...
No, his isolation and social clumsiness are not what I see in myself at all.
I identify with his character, his cynicism.


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20 Mar 2008, 9:51 pm

Most people shouldn't attempt LOTR before they reach adulthood. Tolkien was an unbelievably gifted author and historian, but LOTR is adapted from Nordic myths in the declamatory style, and can be kind of inaccessible to less experienced readers. If you want the ultimate example of this, take a look at The Silmarillion; Tolkien never adapted it to our contemporary expositional style, and only dedicated fans ever bother trying to wade through it.



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20 Mar 2008, 9:53 pm

that had to be one of the most boring books I ever read



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20 Mar 2008, 9:53 pm

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your experience is irrelevant, I would adapt


Experience is all we have, since it's all we can ever be sure of.



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20 Mar 2008, 9:56 pm

sureness is irrelevant
experience is irrelevant
you would lose



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20 Mar 2008, 10:00 pm

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that had to be one of the most boring books I ever read


I'm a hardcore Tolkien fan, and I never bothered to read The Silmarillion. It's an impenetrable mess as it stands, and Tolkien himself never intended for it to be published in its current unadapted form. Christopher Tolkien published the book after his father's death, along with some other substandard material gleaned from Tolkien Sr's notes.



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20 Mar 2008, 10:02 pm

Kilroy wrote:
sureness is irrelevant
experience is irrelevant
you would lose


Adaptation is the only loss, since it entails abandonment of self.



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20 Mar 2008, 10:02 pm

I did, save yourself the time :lol:



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20 Mar 2008, 10:03 pm

Zzzzeta wrote:
Kilroy wrote:
sureness is irrelevant
experience is irrelevant
you would lose


Adaptation is the only loss, since it entails abandonment of self.


this conversation is terminated



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20 Mar 2008, 10:08 pm

Ah for the days when people lived for pointless existential banter......... :lol:



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20 Mar 2008, 10:10 pm

alright I was just messing with you but what is your problem
I tried to end this but noooo you had to get the last word in :roll:
just because your older then me doesn't make you any more capable in anything
so stop trying to make me lesser to you, stop trying to seem so high and mighty
its really showing :roll:



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20 Mar 2008, 10:12 pm

Nico wrote:
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Holden is a pathetic loser because he does nothing but piss and moan about his circumstances, not because of his feelings of isolation or his social clumsiness - which is what people with AS recognise in his character.

Maybe because he's depressed...
No, his isolation and social clumsiness are not what I see in myself at all.
I identify with his character, his cynicism.


I've always found that aspect of the work incredibly contrived. Catcher In The Rye pales in comparison with Joseph Heller's work when it comes to cynicism and absurdity IMO.