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27 Nov 2008, 9:25 pm

pakled wrote:
now I'm really confused...I though Leela was on Futurama...sucks when I've seen 3 years out of 40...;)


Doctor Who's Leela

Leela from Futurama :P


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28 Nov 2008, 11:07 pm

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What do you mean, far more likely? How come you are so close in the Master's counsels? Are you in league with him or something?


Use Occam's razor. :roll:

Think about it:

1. The Rani would be probably more than happy to let the Master rot, even if she did survive the Time War. You saw how well they got along during the events of Mark of the Rani. If you haven't, then let me tell you, he pissed her off something fierce.

2. The hand was Caucasian, female and had red fingernail polish. The former definitively rules out any members of Martha's family (in case the Master brainwashed them) and the fingernail polish indicates that this wasn't the Sinister Woman, aka Miss Dexter. My guess is, it is Lucy Saxon.

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RTD suggested that they had fled this universe during the Time War. Personally, I think some stayed behind. Certainly I think that the Guardians still exist. In fact, one character they should bring back is the Celestial Toymaker. Maybe Michael Gough is still up to playing him. :)


Motion seconded!

What ever happened to the Hermit/Abbot K'An Po/Ch'o Je? Is he still on Earth, or being rather older than the Doctor has he reached the end of his regeneration cycle and unlike the Master accepted his mortality with stoicism? Was he recalled in an advisory capacity to Gallifrey at the time of the Time War?


Who knows? K'anpo has been a bit of a random element, as had Iris Wildthyme.

And there are rumours that the Meddling Monk will return. Wouldn't surprise me if David Morrisey's 'Doctor' in The Next Doctor is the Monk. I know that they said that Patrick Stewart was to play the Monk, but we've never seen him regenerate...


Calloo, Callay, Oh Frabjous day!

I will concede that while the Master admires the Rani - taste the chemistry! - she basically despises both the Master and the Doctor as bumbling overgrown schoolboys who should be sent back to the Academy to write, "I shall not interfere in Ushas' brilliant scientific experiments that are manifestly for the betterment of the Universe," 100, 000, 000, 000, 000 times.

She might have wished to revive the Master as a slave or conduct experiments on his greatly modified body, maybe creating copies of past incarnations including the eleven unseen Masters, as well as the familiar Delgado, Trakenite, Bruce, Yana and Saxon incarnations, with their brain chemistry so altered that while they retain enough genius and drive to conquer to enable them to be her Ultimate Weapons against the Shadow Proclamation, their will will be totally subordinated to hers so that once the headquarters of the Shadow Proclamation have been turned into New Gallifrey, they will bow before her, crowning her the War Empress.

She will then send them out to capture Romana, the Doctor and any other Time Ladies or Lords who may be stowing away anywhere while she creates new looms and gains old servants from erstwhile conquests of hers using them to throw the bodies of her people on the looms, adding the titles Pythia and New Matriarch of Gallifrey to that of War Empress.

She will conquer Kaan and recreate the Untempered Schism, now modified as a portal; she will return to Lakertya and alter the events of Time and the Rani and use her new Time Manipulator to rewrite history at will, ensuring that Traken, Logopolis, Xeriphas and Skaro survive, but as vassals of the New Gallifreyan Empire; she will conquer numerous other planets and further modify the Untempered Schism to open onto other universes and her final title will be Imperatrix Mundorum et Domina Temporum.

THERE!


Or alternatively, the Master preserved a copy of his consciousness in the Ring by means of the same technology that enabled the memories of other Time Lords to be preserved in the Matrix; the Rani wished to gain valuable memories of the Master to aid her in her schemes, and was even willing to overlook her disdain for the Master.

This plan may have backfired, as the Master's memories proceeded to strive to seize control of the Rani's consciousness a la the memories of the deceased Baron Vladimir; she had been confident of being strong willed enough to resist him, and indeed he was not completely successful; instead they merge to become equal rather than dominant or submissive parts of a new entity: the Mistress.


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29 Nov 2008, 5:17 pm

Am I the only one who thought that ending was bit too "Flash Gordon".

I kept expecting the words "The End ... or is it?" to appear on the screen.



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01 Dec 2008, 12:28 am

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Am I the only one who thought that ending was bit too "Flash Gordon".

I kept expecting the words "The End ... or is it?" to appear on the screen.


The Classic series Masters, especially the Ainley/Trakenite Master, had a similar tenacity in clinging to life, not to say apparent indestructibility. He is basically the Time Lord equivalent of Lord Voldemort, only considerably more successful - the latter did not even manage to live as long as Albus Dumbledore; as Count Rugen remarked when it appeared that Iñigo Montoya's life long quest for vengeance had failed, "That must be the worst thing I have ever heard."

You might not think Time Lords would feel the need to prolong their life beyond thirteen lives and manyb centuries, but bear in mind Koschei had exhausted his first regeneration cycle comparatively early.


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