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31 Jul 2008, 4:37 pm

Aww, but there are some good post-hardcore bands that fall under the tag sometimes. Stuff like At the Drive-In (as has been noted), Thrice, Envy... I can't stand the pop-punk stuff that is usually called "emo", though. And not all death metal is good...



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31 Jul 2008, 4:57 pm

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the homophobic reference has been dealt with. Too bad we can't change his mind as fast as editing the text.

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It would be awesome if we could edit people's minds like that. :twisted:


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31 Jul 2008, 5:35 pm

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It would be awesome if we could edit people's minds like that. :twisted:


+1! :wink:



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01 Aug 2008, 9:57 am

Just bought another Tokio Hotel record. I don't care if it's emo or not, I just like it 8)

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01 Aug 2008, 11:59 am

theQuail wrote:
And not all death metal is good...


How good it is wasn't the point.

It's like saying Eminem is pop-punk. It's BS, because Eminem ISN'T pop-punk. Doesn't mean pop-punk is bad, but it'd still annoy me if someone said he was pop-punk.



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01 Aug 2008, 6:48 pm

JohnHopkins wrote:
theQuail wrote:
And not all death metal is good...


How good it is wasn't the point.

It's like saying Eminem is pop-punk. It's BS, because Eminem ISN'T pop-punk. Doesn't mean pop-punk is bad, but it'd still annoy me if someone said he was pop-punk.

Ah, I get the point.
*imagines a pop-punk Eminem* Weird...



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01 Aug 2008, 10:39 pm

regardless of whos copied who, and whats "real emo" doesnt change the fact that music that is considered emo, is generally really really REALLY bad. not just bad on the ears, but sometimes bad musically. ive never once heard a song from the emo genre sound good. the usual emo music makes me want to claw my eyes out in seconds, no offense to anyone who likes it.

as for Tokio Hotel. i am in high dislike of them, not hate, just a very large amount of dislike. their music is not very spectacular, but thats not what im getting at. i realize it may sound stupid of me to dislike them for the reason i do but... my god -.- germans looking like theyre trying to copy visual kei? PLEASE! main singer dudes hair is crap, PLEASE dont tell me thats what the rest of the world percieves VK as? eeerrrrrgh :evil: *scratches head furiously* *head to desk* lead singer man looks like an attention whore in most of the pictures anyways.... now that ive got that outta my system, please go on XD



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02 Aug 2008, 7:11 am

StrawberryJam wrote:
regardless of whos copied who, and whats "real emo" doesnt change the fact that music that is considered emo, is generally really really REALLY bad. not just bad on the ears, but sometimes bad musically. ive never once heard a song from the emo genre sound good. the usual emo music makes me want to claw my eyes out in seconds, no offense to anyone who likes it.


This just in: saying 'no offence' before or afterwards DOESN'T WORK.

No offence, but your mum's s**t in bed.

No offence, but you're the ugliest guy I've ever met.

No offence, but if I never see you again, it'll be too soon.

You're not allowed to be offended!

Yes, it doesn't work.

And again, just saying 'it doesn't sound good' is subjective, and as for not being good musically, you need to look closer again at My Chemical Romance. Going back to my previous examples, Fall Out Boy do virtually nothing outlandish or complicated with their music, aside from a few diminished chords but then it is the diminished chord that even Noel f'ing Gallagher knows. But MCR have multi-segmented, dynamically varied tracks and even 'I'm Not Okay,' which is mostly just pop-punk, has a shredding solo in it which takes some degree of musical ability.



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02 Aug 2008, 12:53 pm

StrawberryJam wrote:
regardless of whos copied who, and whats "real emo" doesnt change the fact that music that is considered emo, is generally really really REALLY bad. not just bad on the ears, but sometimes bad musically. ive never once heard a song from the emo genre sound good. the usual emo music makes me want to claw my eyes out in seconds, no offense to anyone who likes it.


Once again, please review this video for good emo.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=caEYU9_hAlo&feature=related[/youtube]

Also, bands like Bright Eyes, Weezer and Modest Mouse were all at one time emo bands or had an influence on emo. Are you telling me you don't like those bands either?


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02 Aug 2008, 5:05 pm

I don't like it but that doesn't mean it sucks. It's a matter of personal taste.

Anyway, MCR isn't really emo. Neither is Fallout Boy or any of the other bands associated with emos these days. They're pop-punk. MCR is to emo what Marilyn Manson is to goth...it's not actually a part of the genre, it just gets called it anyway because so many people who fit the label love it.



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03 Aug 2008, 3:39 pm

DocStrange wrote:
StrawberryJam wrote:
regardless of whos copied who, and whats "real emo" doesnt change the fact that music that is considered emo, is generally really really REALLY bad. not just bad on the ears, but sometimes bad musically. ive never once heard a song from the emo genre sound good. the usual emo music makes me want to claw my eyes out in seconds, no offense to anyone who likes it.


Once again, please review this video for good emo.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=caEYU9_hAlo&feature=related[/youtube]

Also, bands like Bright Eyes, Weezer and Modest Mouse were all at one time emo bands or had an influence on emo. Are you telling me you don't like those bands either?


actually no i dont :/ i dont hate the bands, but i dont like them either. meh.



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03 Aug 2008, 3:41 pm

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and as for not being good musically, you need to look closer again at My Chemical Romance. Going back to my previous examples, Fall Out Boy do virtually nothing outlandish or complicated with their music, aside from a few diminished chords but then it is the diminished chord that even Noel f'ing Gallagher knows. But MCR have multi-segmented, dynamically varied tracks and even 'I'm Not Okay,' which is mostly just pop-punk, has a shredding solo in it which takes some degree of musical ability.


ive had plenty of time to analyze MCR for anything complicated, and none of it was more complicated than my school orchestra pieces in 7th grade



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03 Aug 2008, 4:19 pm

Seeing it literally, emo stands for emotional (as people already stated here)
and one could split the so called emo into waves and such (wich people already did here also)

now, thinking not of meaning, not of waves, not of style, what's with people and the need to carve their likes / dislikes into others ?

one can just come in here and say "i like this" or "i dislike that" but things such "this is the best there is and none of your crappy bands can hold a candle to it" or saying "this sucks and all you who like it can go to hell" is just plain stupid.

like if you have to, dislike if you have to, just don't go fanatic about it.


moving along, dividing it, putting it into groups, it's a human need, especially amongst predominatly systemizing people like most of us here. but still, one should have the wits to know that, ok i belive that Band A should be class B cause of the theme and lyrics. and if someone else puts that same band in class C cause of the rhythm and speed, why would one has to make a big fuss out of it. i've seen lots of people saying lots of bands are this or that, but what, do we need to have one universal truth about everything? (if so, bands would not be the first thing to have a dogmatic classification lol)

on with it

in different stages of my life i've heard diff bands, some of them would be considered emo by some, other's not, as for me, i see it literally.

any music that talks about emotions is emo

accept that or not, i'm cool with it, anyways, one could then classify them songs, depending on how deep they meddle in emotions, and so on

meaning that any kind of music can be emo, except them songs with no lyrics.
now aparently they gave this emo label to this, teenage / young adult, romantic / depressive, soft punkish comercial-or-not kind of music
MCR, the famous one, everyone talking about it, honestly i barely know any song about them, except this one i like, cemetery drive (and when they sang Pressure, live, together with The Used)

btw, if anyone would care, people who posted, people who will post, or anyone that happens to just read this, i ask to "label" the following bands:

AFI
Against All Authority
Atreyu
Avenged Sevenfold
Cigar
Goldfinger
Guttermouth
Mad Caddies
The Used
Unwritten Law
Yellowcard

i don't listen to all those, i listen to some tho, frequently, anyways, there is no universal label for anything, just glad to see other people's opinion
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03 Aug 2008, 4:23 pm

AFI sound like the Misfits, at least the albums I have (Art of Drowning and Black Sails). They're not too bad actually.



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03 Aug 2008, 4:46 pm

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ive had plenty of time to analyze MCR for anything complicated, and none of it was more complicated than my school orchestra pieces in 7th grade


Yes. But compare that to Fall Out Boy. Or even, supposedly great artists like Bob Dylan or The Beatles. MCR aren't just the same old pop-punk act. Quite apart from which, I said multi-segmented and dynamicalyl varied, which doesn't necessarily need any more musical talent, just ambition. Shredding, however, which I also mentioned, does.

AFI were hardcore, but they're poppier and more post-hardcore now.
Atreyu are post-hardcore/metal.
Avenged Sevenfold are trickier because they tend to weld shred and pop-punk together.
Goldfinger are mostly pop-punk too, honestly.
The Used are what is now known as 'emo.'
Yellowcard are just pop-punk with a violin (not that I don't love them, cause I do).



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03 Aug 2008, 5:10 pm

Drakshin wrote:
Seeing it literally, emo stands for emotional (as people already stated here)
and one could split the so called emo into waves and such (wich people already did here also)

now, thinking not of meaning, not of waves, not of style, what's with people and the need to carve their likes / dislikes into others ?

one can just come in here and say "i like this" or "i dislike that" but things such "this is the best there is and none of your crappy bands can hold a candle to it" or saying "this sucks and all you who like it can go to hell" is just plain stupid.

any music that talks about emotions is emo

accept that or not, i'm cool with it, anyways, one could then classify them songs, depending on how deep they meddle in emotions, and so on



Aha, yes. All music is indeed emotional, but you see, the Emo genre is a legitimate genre, a fork off of hardcore punk. I've never quite understood the term either. It's essentailly as meaningless as "alternative rock" (when you sell 10 million copies, what are you alternative too?) or "new wave" (a genre that could include both Pornography-era Cure and early Madonna, without including another meaningless genre, "post-punk") or "indie rock" (which does have a discernible sound, but I think you need to call it something different as soon as most of the bands are snapped up by major labels)


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