What's your view on illegal music downloads?

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I agree, but I think that should be up to the band.

Metallica made it out of the underground because people were passing concert bootlegs around, but then they sued Napster. Which was one of the most whiny-bitch moves in the history of music, and it cost them a lot of fans who were already on the edge because of Load and ReLoad.

U2's been saying they agree with pirating since it first became possible tape songs off the radio. Since they make most of their money in merchandise and tickets, they don't much care if people pirate a CD. And hey, what's 10K pirated CDs when people will buy a million of them anyways?

On a side note, I like the Wizard's Eighth Rule more: Deserve Victory. I'm going to add "Talga Vassternich" to the SoT tattoo on my left shoulder when I get the money. Gotta pick a sweet font, though.

Yes, but that's off topic. Whether the music is big label or small, as soon as people find what they're looking for on p2p, they're not going to buy the CD. Harsh but true.

Not true. Some people won't, but others will. It seems to be quite a popular idea around here to just use downloading to find the good stuff and then buy it. Sometimes people really are honest.

Magnatune is a small label that lets you download stuff before buying (full version), and lets you pick the price that you pay for the album. They're getting by.

And don't think that the failure of a particular distribution model for music is the same as music failing. If CD's become so unpopular that they aren't sold anywhere anymore, and people reject DRM, and the labels can't come up with any other way to survive and all go under -- there will still be musicians. They'll figure out a way to make money (concerts come to mind), so whether the labels survive is irrelevant. People will always want music, and the people who make music will always want to make enough off of it to live on. So we'll always have music, and musicians will get paid, somehow or another.

Make 95% of their money from live appearances, not from album sales. That was true before P2P and its still true. The contracts between bands and labels is so skewed toward the labels, its almost impossible for the bands to make any money that way. P2P hurts the labels much, much more than it hurts the artists. That's why a group like Radiohead can let you download their album naming your own price - Radiohead still makes more money that way than they would if they released the album on a major lable.

i do it all the time i use limewire.

bittorent. chomskytorrents mmmm goood

But I'm not stealing music. Unless you're agreeing with me.

Agreeing with you. It's just that you brought up the idea that people might not want to risk buying unfamiliar music, an excuse I've heard, which to a significant extent doesn't hold water. O.o

Right. I just buy the CD and hope, basically, which oddly enough has actually worked out ok so far. I've bought a couple of duds, but mostly some solid music.

I don't buy music unless the license allows me to share it with others. So far I have discovered a few good artist and others are surprised when I tell them that I can give them a legal copy if there interested. Though it dose irritate me when I here others bragging about it in real life and pulling in $100-$500 a day selling illegal copies.

But hey, You don't wanna pay 10 bucks for a song you wanted to hear. Would you really want to wast money for a song or an album? No! Do what Lars Ulrich did, download a song or album
on a website and and put it on your MP3! For free!