Why do people loathe my music taste so much? Am I an alien?

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06 Apr 2012, 11:27 pm

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That frequency shift causes the output frequency to be highly unstable across they keyboard, so linear FM on analog synths is mostly useless. On digital synths, this problem is resolved by causing the modulator to vary the PHASE of the carrier, leaving the fundamental pitch-stable

Well, that actually solves a minor annoying problem for me. Good to know.


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07 Apr 2012, 2:55 am

Zokk wrote:
AngelRho wrote:
That frequency shift causes the output frequency to be highly unstable across they keyboard, so linear FM on analog synths is mostly useless. On digital synths, this problem is resolved by causing the modulator to vary the PHASE of the carrier, leaving the fundamental pitch-stable

Well, that actually solves a minor annoying problem for me. Good to know.

There is a theoretical workaround, though I haven't figured out how to implement it effectively. If you can find a way to adjust the scaling of both the mod and carrier across the keyboard, you can make it work. In actual practice, I have yet to get the scaling right.

On the Obie Matrix 1000, which is just the grandbaby of the Matrix 6 without programming but with 200 user presets and 800 permanent patches, there is a scaling feature called a "tracking generator" that will adjust the output of a mod source. Linear FM is possible by disabling Osc 1 (modulator) and using the filter as a carrier wave (by pushing resonance as high as it will go so that it self-oscillates). As of right now, I've only managed to get three octaves of pitch-stable linear FM, and it's mostly only useful in percussive or sequencer type sounds. It's also very useful for interesting attack transients as well as the usual sound effects.

You might like knowing this: There is an alternative to FM if you want to get those kinds of sounds on an analog synth. Let's say you're designing a classic DX7 EP. The trick is to get a mod harmonic coefficient in the neighborhood of the 14th partial. You'll have better success using hard osc sync pushing the master frequency to an inharmonic frequency somewhere between the third and fourth octave above the slave. Shape that with a lpf eg and you've got it. It won't sound identical to a DX7, but it's pretty close!



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07 Apr 2012, 3:05 am

I got another example of perception differences in music:

What most people consider real Techno:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sq1ZYSuEnu8[/youtube]
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ybh0KA0LKYc[/youtube]
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQF_kGjcfCM[/youtube]

What I consider to be real Techno:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WDqpkZedyfI[/youtube]
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XL40FAMpopk[/youtube]
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-zrrZnYHgc[/youtube]

Does anyone spot the difference? The examples I gave are way more influenced by Industrial and the elements used in those tracks are also way more "there". The tracks sound "fuller" to me as there is much more going on in them, it's got more melodies for instance and the sounds are also heavier and more distorted, they got way more "colour". Did I mention that my examples are more bassline-fueled and also bordering with other genres?



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07 Apr 2012, 11:18 am

Uprising wrote:
I got another example of perception differences in music:
What most people consider real Techno:
music
What I consider to be real Techno:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WDqpkZedyfI[/youtube]
Does anyone spot the difference? The examples I gave are way more influenced by Industrial and the elements used in those tracks are also way more "there". The tracks sound "fuller" to me as there is much more going on in them, it's got more melodies for instance and the sounds are also heavier and more distorted, they got way more "colour". Did I mention that my examples are more bassline-fueled and also bordering with other genres?

I can tell the difference but The video I left in the quote is the kind of sound that I've heard most people refer to when talking about techno.


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07 Apr 2012, 11:32 am

Gravechylde wrote:
Uprising wrote:
I got another example of perception differences in music:
What most people consider real Techno:
music
What I consider to be real Techno:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WDqpkZedyfI[/youtube]
Does anyone spot the difference? The examples I gave are way more influenced by Industrial and the elements used in those tracks are also way more "there". The tracks sound "fuller" to me as there is much more going on in them, it's got more melodies for instance and the sounds are also heavier and more distorted, they got way more "colour". Did I mention that my examples are more bassline-fueled and also bordering with other genres?

I can tell the difference but The video I left in the quote is the kind of sound that I've heard most people refer to when talking about techno.

The tune seems to attract dnb and dubstep listeners more than techno listeners in my opinion, because of it's heavy basslines which seems to be unusual for a techno track.



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07 Apr 2012, 11:47 am

Uprising wrote:
Gravechylde wrote:
I can tell the difference but The video I left in the quote is the kind of sound that I've heard most people refer to when talking about techno.

The tune seems to attract dnb and dubstep listeners more than techno listeners in my opinion, because of it's heavy basslines which seems to be unusual for a techno track.

Even before dubstep that's what I've heard associated with techno.


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07 Apr 2012, 11:50 am

Gravechylde wrote:
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I can tell the difference but The video I left in the quote is the kind of sound that I've heard most people refer to when talking about techno.

The tune seems to attract dnb and dubstep listeners more than techno listeners in my opinion, because of it's heavy basslines which seems to be unusual for a techno track.

Even before dubstep that's what I've heard associated with techno.

Well it certainly s**ts all over detroit techno & minimal.