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25 Apr 2010, 10:42 pm

I don't know if 'hate' covers much of anything accurately but I can think of at least a handful of different sub-genres that by and by I really can't relate to:

  • Dream Pop/Japanimae-ish stuff
  • Happy Hardcore
  • Progressive Rock/Metal
  • The dancy side of industrial (ie. VNV Nation, Lords of Acid, Funker Vogt, KMFDM, etc. - though I do like Skinny Puppy, PWEI, and some MLWTTKK,, I guess its more about the moods)
  • Clownstep (the butt end of my favorite genre)
  • Nerdcore rap
  • the Jason Mraz sound in pop folk
  • Crash Test Dummies
  • Crystal Method/Chemical Brothers, most of what people hold up as 'this is the limit of what's out there' in electronic music.
  • Any electronic tune with 'ecstacy' or XTC in the name of the song or producer (ok, that I'd say I can't stand).
  • While I'm generally pretty tolerant of pop rnb and pop hip hop T-Pain drives me crazy ('Great White Moments In Black History' nailed it on him) and I'd almost say Ke$ha but I almost get the impression that she's intended to be comic relief.



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27 Apr 2010, 11:10 pm

I just can't stand rap or pop in any form. I also don't care much for metalcore and deathcore, which is pretty much the equivalent of cheesy american remakes of awesome japanese horror films. But the real thrash and death metal (especially bands that combine the two) I'll take any day! :twisted:


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03 May 2010, 3:58 pm

I hate drum and bass (or jungle music, as it used to be known.) I also hate most of the people who like it, although a couple of my closest friends are obsessed with it. I hate 'grime'. I hate that stuff with speeded-up chipmunk voices and 4-to-the-floor beats. I HATE anything with auto-tune. I hate really boring indie bands like Keane and Starsailor.

The thing is, I actually quite like genres that annoy other people. I quite like jazz and country and I don't mind electronic music in general (I just hate the genres mentioned above.)

I dislike most hip hop, but I don't hate it on principle and I occasionally like some of it.



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03 May 2010, 4:10 pm

Starrsy wrote:

I can live with rap, drum and bass, Grime, hip hop :D

People who hate rap havent found the decent rappers yet. That, and it takes a lot to properly appreciate Rap and Grime


I'm open to finding rappers that I like, but I will never, ever like grime. It's just the whole fake-cockney chavness and deliberate musical ugliness of it all. Some hip hop actually sounds sort of classy, but grime never will - hence the name, 'grime'.



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03 May 2010, 4:24 pm

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Since a lot of you dislike "techno"

What are your views on Trance, Dubstep, House, Chiptunes, DnB, Breakcore, Tribal, Trip-hop, Synthpop, Electronica, Glitch, Industrial, Dance, Grime, and Progressive Chillout?


Trance, house, chillout, synthpop, electronica, industrial and dance are fine
I don't know what chiptunes, dubstep, breakcore, tribal or glitch are.

Isn't trip-hop a bit like DnB?

I hate Grime too much for words (see above)

I hate DnB because it's really dull and most of the people who like it are annoying rich kids who think it's the only music on the planet worth listening to and who take way too many bad drugs and who think you are a total idiot for not liking their music *breathes*

I guess people used to feel the same way about jazz when it was popular with pseudo-intellectual middle-class kids. Maybe DnB is the new jazz, or something, and I'm being way too harsh...but I actually like jazz. You have to understand jazz a bit to like it. What is the actual appeal of DnB?



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04 May 2010, 3:10 pm

There are genres I dislike, but nothing I can say I actually hate. And even if I did hate them, there's a simple solution: Don't listen to them, ignore them.

I also don't understand the tendency for people on the internet, especially music fans, to obsessively focus so much on what they dislike. It often seems to have a strain of elitism in it, as if they want to feel superior to people who listen to music they consider bad. I used to be like that when I was a teenager; I had an elitist and condescending attitude toward Rap and pop music and the people who listened to them. But I grew out of it. Now I just think, to each their own.

But as for what I dislike? I've heard at least one good song from most genres that I don't ordinarily listen to, but I don't think I've ever heard a good reggae or punk song in my life.



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04 May 2010, 3:30 pm

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You have to understand jazz a bit to like it. What is the actual appeal of DnB?

If its the right stuff? Urban virility combined with bone-chilling depth, I mean leaving your body and traveling to other galaxies, nebula, spiritual mysteries of all kinds - though I'm specifically talking about the deeper/darker stuff (at the moment that's being best served by guys like Icicle, Sabre, DBridge, Alix Perez, and Jubei are killing it right now - Breakage and Sunchase both have a few staggering tunes though I wouldn't say all of them) or the more jazz influenced stuff back when Suv, Roni Size, and Dj Krust were pioneering that kind of thing on V and Full Cycle.

I think what it was for me though - in the United States - was going to an event, hearing this mysterious, eerie, wailing, ramped out sound - something like you'd expect to be in something like Aliens or Chronicles of Riddick, had that kind of atmosphere, and the techiness had an intelligence about it that pretty much, as much as I'd listened to rock, alternative, even played guitar, listened to anything else - it cut it all to shreds (at least for my own ears). At that age, when I was 18 (1997/98 ) it was the Dillinja, Ram Trilogy, John B, Matrix, Digital, Fierce, Ed Rush, Optical, Grooverider (Codename John), Trace, back when they were making these dark slippy beats that practically tripped over themselves rather than what they went to after 2001 or so. At that time sickbass was quite literal - it sounded like it was throwing out its cookies and exactly that.

I won't diss the wobbly commercial stuff, some people like it - admittedly I can't relate to it.

Lol, I'm probably reinforcing 110% percent of your stereotypes but, I guess I'll just say it - its different strokes for different folks. If you find a genre of music that really takes you somewhere that your elated to go - go there and go often!



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04 May 2010, 4:24 pm

techstepgenr8tion wrote:
I don't know if 'hate' covers much of anything accurately but I can think of at least a handful of different sub-genres that by and by I really can't relate to:


    Hi :lol: I'm your nemesis. Or maybe your evil mirror image. By coincidence, I embrace what you hate. (Perhaps I also hate what you like, who knows?). Or maybe it's not a coincidence. Since you have listed much of my favorite music, there must be a common theme that runs through it that I am attracted to for the same reason you are repelled, whatever that reason may be.


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  • Dream Pop/Japanimae-ish stuff


  • Dream pop: Coctoeu Twins? They wander and warble very ethereally. I got into Japanese pop when my dad went there on a business trip when I was a kid and he brought me back a bunch of albums which he chose based entirely on the cutesy cover art.


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  • Happy Hardcore


  • Green Day? If you meant Green Day, I like them. Bwahahaha
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  • Progressive Rock/Metal


  • Oh my Yes. And Voivod too. And lots of other noodly nonsense with synthesizer solos.


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  • The dancy side of industrial (ie. VNV Nation, Lords of Acid, Funker Vogt, KMFDM, etc. - though I do like Skinny Puppy, PWEI, and some MLWTTKK,, I guess its more about the moods)


  • The dancy side of Industrial is the only Industrial I listen to. KMFDM? Love that. And NiN- Who do you think made Trent Reznor a semi-star? Me! Bwhahahaha
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  • Clownstep (the butt end of my favorite genre)


  • I don't know what this is. But if I knew, I'd probably like it.
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  • Nerdcore rap


  • I love their college boy wordiness. If anybody ever finds a word that rhymes with "orange", it will be a nerdcore rapper.


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  • the Jason Mraz sound in pop folk


  • Sometimes he's a little simpery for me. But sometimes he's ok.
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  • Crash Test Dummies


  • I have all their albums
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  • Crystal Method/Chemical Brothers,


  • I have all their albums too
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    most of what people hold up as 'this is the limit of what's out there' in electronic music.


    You mean, the music that pops up in itunes when you buy all the Chemical Brothers and Crystal Method albums? Check and check
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  • Any electronic tune with 'ecstacy' or XTC in the name of the song or producer (ok, that I'd say I can't stand).


  • I have all the albums of the band XTC. While they are not techno at all, they should get your hate just for calling themselves that. Although they called themselves that 25 years ago, so they were the leaders, not the followers.


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  • While I'm generally pretty tolerant of pop rnb and pop hip hop T-Pain drives me crazy ('Great White Moments In Black History' nailed it on him) and I'd almost say Ke$ha but I almost get the impression that she's intended to be comic relief.
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Ok, I don't like T-Pain. But I do like Timbaland. So that should work for you too.

Other things I like which you may also hate:

kitschy 30's pop: such as "Boo Hoo" by Guy Lombardo

rockabilly

rockabilly played by self conscious punk rockers: the Cramps

Latin American rock and techno: Nortec Collective, Kinky: you'll really hate Kinky, they are rocky and techno-y and snarky. That they are also Hispanic means they feel obliged to do a snarky techno-y cover of "Oye Como Va". Bring the hate. :lol:



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04 May 2010, 4:26 pm

I dont like Country to much and Techno is to overweming and Scremo gives me a headache and i dont like folk



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04 May 2010, 4:46 pm

Lol, your killing me. I think a lot of those are a stretch though - ie. happy hardcore isn't what you guessed (its a type of gleeful speedy techno), also with Cocteau Twins - I do like Liz Frasier but more in line with her work with Massive Attack (Group Four, Tear Drop, etc.).

Regardless of even if you like 70% of what was on that list and think you might as easily dislike - luckily it doesn't color what I think of people. I have a lot of friends who are big progressive rock fans, or who are avidly hooked on a certain odd genre of pop (Box Car Racer, MGMT, its like geeky pop-alternative?), others who are hooked on 80's - its never quite as bad listening to a genre your not into when your in someone else's car listening to what they're really into, buying it yourself though - not so much.



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09 May 2010, 4:16 pm

What I don't tend to like, it boils down to it being corporate of some genre. Mostly you can tell by the whole "pop-" prefix to everything. Top 40 obviously being the biggest example. But like, pop-rap, pop-country, pop-rock, pop-R&B. Anything you hear on much of commercial radio around the nation and world.

Screamo and emo, I would consider an offshoot of pop-rock. Even the underground stuff, the sound is based off a pop-flavored watered down version of punk.

Never been a huge fan of anything made before 1964 either.



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09 May 2010, 4:54 pm

techstepgenr8tion wrote:
puddingmouse wrote:
You have to understand jazz a bit to like it. What is the actual appeal of DnB?

If its the right stuff? Urban virility combined with bone-chilling depth, I mean leaving your body and traveling to other galaxies, nebula, spiritual mysteries of all kinds - though I'm specifically talking about the deeper/darker stuff (at the moment that's being best served by guys like Icicle, Sabre, DBridge, Alix Perez, and Jubei are killing it right now - Breakage and Sunchase both have a few staggering tunes though I wouldn't say all of them) or the more jazz influenced stuff back when Suv, Roni Size, and Dj Krust were pioneering that kind of thing on V and Full Cycle.

I think what it was for me though - in the United States - was going to an event, hearing this mysterious, eerie, wailing, ramped out sound - something like you'd expect to be in something like Aliens or Chronicles of Riddick, had that kind of atmosphere, and the techiness had an intelligence about it that pretty much, as much as I'd listened to rock, alternative, even played guitar, listened to anything else - it cut it all to shreds (at least for my own ears). At that age, when I was 18 (1997/98 ) it was the Dillinja, Ram Trilogy, John B, Matrix, Digital, Fierce, Ed Rush, Optical, Grooverider (Codename John), Trace, back when they were making these dark slippy beats that practically tripped over themselves rather than what they went to after 2001 or so. At that time sickbass was quite literal - it sounded like it was throwing out its cookies and exactly that.

I won't diss the wobbly commercial stuff, some people like it - admittedly I can't relate to it.

Lol, I'm probably reinforcing 110% percent of your stereotypes but, I guess I'll just say it - its different strokes for different folks. If you find a genre of music that really takes you somewhere that your elated to go - go there and go often!


You gave the best answer to that question I've ever heard. I don't hate drum and base fans so much as the stereotype of them, and I have encountered some people who prove the stereotype, and some who don't. You don't prove the stereotype because you're pleasant and unpatronising. If people are really passionate about something it shows in a nice way, as opposed to people who just like something because it's part of their social niche and identity.



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09 May 2010, 5:16 pm

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You gave the best answer to that question I've ever heard. I don't hate drum and base fans so much as the stereotype of them, and I have encountered some people who prove the stereotype, and some who don't. You don't prove the stereotype because you're pleasant and unpatronising. If people are really passionate about something it shows in a nice way, as opposed to people who just like something because it's part of their social niche and identity.

Right right :). I think if I were going to explain it, I really like music that's sublime enough to thrust itself into the religious dimension of things:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6nqM2klrmtw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HYjqUuTNvLs

Trip-hop and dubstep can do that as well if they're being lead by the right artists, although - dnb - its difficult to find a genre with such a wealth of it. I will admit though, being in the US, I can enjoy the best of it without being immersed all day long in clownstep, wobble, and little brats making fun of anyone who doesn't listen to buzzy ringtone crap.



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09 May 2010, 5:29 pm

Screamo

Otherwise I'm open minded.

But seriously, someone has to stop these people. Their freaking destroying their lungs.



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09 May 2010, 5:38 pm

Darkword wrote:
Screamo

Otherwise I'm open minded.

But seriously, someone has to stop these people. Their freaking destroying their lungs.

And everybody's ears.