My obsession for hard, dark and heavy underground music
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LOL, I try to keep the styles as diverse as possible because I just like too many styles, I can't pin myself on just one sub-sub-genre tbh.
I only like the good hard 90's industrial, particularly the sci-fi sounding stuff. The rest is weak IMO.
Allied Vision
Front Line Assembly
Brain Leisure
C-tec
Cubanate
GODFLESH
Numb
Terminal State
Pail
Portion Control
Sleepwalk
Noise Unit
Decree
Will
Pain Machinery
Aghast View
Cyber Axis
God Experiment
Jihad
Klinik
Pulse Legion
Psy :
Kindzadza
Cosmo
Highko
ect
noisey hip-hop stuff :
Techno Animal
Dalek
Body Count
2nd Gen
My favourite stuff is Death-Robot though, it is my own music genre - but do bare in mind I make it purely for myself because it is like crack to me. I don't really post it online as much as I used to though as most others don't seem to like it which is cool and fair enough.
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I've recently got into Drum & Bass and Metal. I'm currently listening to Avenged Sevenfold and I'm working through all the Metal bands.
Have been looking for suggestions myself haha. Sepultura are awesome from what I've listened to.
This is something I listened to earlier by a band called High on Fire:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0VPVawpN8E[/youtube]
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The best sepultura records I found were Chaos AD and Roots. I loved that stuff in the mid-late 90's, sorta makes me feel a bit old now
forgot the metal I liked. I enjoyed stuff that has a good groove and I'm a sucker for polyrhythmic stuff : Meshuggah, Will Haven, Earthtone9, Fear Factory, Neurosis, (early) Swans, Textures, The Minor Times, Knut, Eyehategod ect - guess those bands are what sums up my "metal taste". I'm super picky
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Under A Pale Grey Sky is also a really sick live album by them, they even managed to sound heavier than they did on these 2 albums you've mentioned and it's already off the damn hook on those. Refuse-Resist and Straighthate are my current favorites on that album.

forgot the metal I liked. I enjoyed stuff that has a good groove and I'm a sucker for polyrhythmic stuff : Meshuggah, Will Haven, Earthtone9, Fear Factory, Neurosis, (early) Swans, Textures, The Minor Times, Knut, Eyehategod ect - guess those bands are what sums up my "metal taste". I'm super picky

Oh right. I've only really listened to Arise so far from Sepultura. I like their older stuff so I'll check out those as well.

Will definitely check out those metal bands at some point. I'll add them to my list.
EDIT: Yep Roots is really good.

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Any specific song suggestions?
I think I'm kind of on the same page - ie. I like select stuff by Ministry and Skinny Puppy but I like it in that Tool grittiness of emotional character kind of way in that it breaks out in a chillingly honest and real way and hits topics and angles that people are just deep-phobic to hit (SP Last Rights album especially). While I wouldn't bash the Funkervogt and Psyclon 9 fans out there, I just can't get into it. I had a friend at work back when I was in the restaurant industry who burned me a bunch of that and I had to tell her - it just sounds like screaming over really old 90's trance. If I want trance I'll listen to trance, if I want industrial I'll listen to what I have in my bag already, but its tough to find anything that really gets gritty in the right ways yaknow?
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Any specific song suggestions?
I think I'm kind of on the same page - ie. I like select stuff by Ministry and Skinny Puppy but I like it in that Tool grittiness of emotional character kind of way in that it breaks out in a chillingly honest and real way and hits topics and angles that people are just deep-phobic to hit (SP Last Rights album especially). While I wouldn't bash the Funkervogt and Psyclon 9 fans out there, I just can't get into it. I had a friend at work back when I was in the restaurant industry who burned me a bunch of that and I had to tell her - it just sounds like screaming over really old 90's trance. If I want trance I'll listen to trance, if I want industrial I'll listen to what I have in my bag already, but its tough to find anything that really gets gritty in the right ways yaknow?
These ones for example:
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[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eoXeBVzVNOw[/youtube]
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=duQGh0IsfFY[/youtube]
But he'll give you more recommendations later I think, he's the king of good industrial lol

It blew me away back in 96' still sounds heavier and groovier than most stuff these days IMO. I think the rawness and tribal percussion from actual tribes added a real primal feel that has never been heard before or since, at least - not like that.
I think I'm kind of on the same page - ie. I like select stuff by Ministry and Skinny Puppy but I like it in that Tool grittiness of emotional character kind of way in that it breaks out in a chillingly honest and real way and hits topics and angles that people are just deep-phobic to hit (SP Last Rights album especially). While I wouldn't bash the Funkervogt and Psyclon 9 fans out there, I just can't get into it. I had a friend at work back when I was in the restaurant industry who burned me a bunch of that and I had to tell her - it just sounds like screaming over really old 90's trance. If I want trance I'll listen to trance, if I want industrial I'll listen to what I have in my bag already, but its tough to find anything that really gets gritty in the right ways yaknow?
It's kind of hard for me to recomend exact songs. I'm really more of an "album guy".
Numb - "Blood Meridian" - seriously so abrassive. Like FLA and Skinny Puppy, it's that really good Canadian Industrial.
Front Line Assembly - "Hard Wired" - Probably the most dissonant and gritty album they did. My personaly favourite track is "Modus Operandi". It helps the album is full of noise and samples from films like In The Mouth Of Madness. It's got that really brutal cyberpunk sci-fi feel to it.
Decree - "Moment Of Silence" - side project of Chris Peterson of FLA, much more noisier and brutal though. I would hestitate to call it "Industrial metal" because the guitars arent really metally, but theres a lot of guitar noise in there but it's very processed and used more like textures.
Allied Vision - "MMBO" - When Oscar released this he blew me away, it sort of takes what Skinny puppy were doing during LAst rights and FLA were doing during hard wired and kind of puts the intensity and aggression up past the limit. "Transition", "Confession of Dementia" and "Embodied Screw" beat that trance stuff to death and then some.
Cubanate - "Interference" - most people recomend "Cyberia" and that's good too, but I think this one is better - late 90's mix of Industrial-metal and Drum n' bass. Chunky, brutal, groovey and will make you want to kill people. Highly recomended. Just listen to "9:59" to get the idea!
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Mmm... I might not have done that right; I like good melodics and smooth atmospheres as much as I like noise (don't like either when they're simply there for their own sake though). I did like your recommendations, at least a lot more than the stuff I mentioned before, but I might have misdirected you a little.
I think the thing I'm learning though is I'm into the artistic sides of industrial more than the dance sides. Might sound strange with me being a huge dnb guy but I really wasn't feeling the industrial/dnb blends as much. Then again I think its more about how they're using the dnb drums and sounds. I'm finding that I'd like nothing more than to get my hands on some good industrial, heck, even make some if people are interested, but my thinking's probably outside the box and genre for the moment.
I've thought about it before and, if I were to envision my perfect 'recycler' industrial sound that takes something going on now or in the not so distant past and mashes it up it would be 'dirty south' beats and things like that. I remember the first time I heard Let Me In by Young Buck and I so wanted to get an instrumental from that, get an acapella from a Skinny Puppy track, and do a Danger Mouse style Young Buck vs. Skinny Puppy or something along those lines. If anything I think current commercial hip hop or even from a couple years back - sounds like Kryptonite, TI beats, even going back and raiding some Fugees type stuff, would be slick where it works.
As for how I'd want to use dnb though, I think what industrial interpretations that I've heard lose in the dnb sound is that Aliens/Pitch Black/Bladerunner type sexiness. When you take on dnb but make it feel like KMFDM took it, asserted 'their' mood over it, and threw out the dnb mystique: that's where, at least for me, it falls down. How would I love it?? If they did things like say, had a typical industrial tune where its cold, icey, atmospheric, stuttering type beats (Harsh Stone White by Skinny Puppy is one of my favorites) and it might start with either an openness or lack of drums where you're not sure where its going and then a very Photek-like use of the drumwork comes down where it continues to trip over itself, sidewind, etc. but even moreso that traditional dnb, or it could be simply a texture - like dnb breaks on a highpass kinda floating at the top, shimmering in a real chromed-out and wintery kind of way but never really touching down to the surface of the track. Another idea; take another big open/minimal industrial track and for synths add the 'What The' synth patch from Doc Scott - VIP Rider's Ghost or add the, I'm going to call it the banshee wail (the three-tiered dropping synth that's loaded with distortion and reverb) from Jonny L - Wish You Had Something.
Heck, there is a tune and I was going to post it but alas, Youtube sucks these days; its called Horse by Nico and Instra:mental, its dnb that sounds much more like industrial than dnb but it comes out sounding like the kind of industrial that I'd love (very Se7enish 'dark side of heroin' type sound). Sadly thanks to either changing policies or forgetfulness of users though its not there anymore.
Lol, don't worry, I'm not asking you to go find it - I know I'm asking for the impossible. Still though - stuff that has classy hip hop, trip hop, and dnb influences more in the moods and usages of sounds is what I'd be all over. I could even see some of the 2006/2007ish dubstep and it sort of.....hard to pin words on it....1920's abstract art style stiltedness... soaked into industrial.
I guess I'm also saying; if anyone here who wants to start an experiment is looking for someone who's thinking the way I am - hit me up by PM! We can match beats and see what we've got!
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I think the thing I'm learning though is I'm into the artistic sides of industrial more than the dance sides. Might sound strange with me being a huge dnb guy but I really wasn't feeling the industrial/dnb blends as much. Then again I think its more about how they're using the dnb drums and sounds. I'm finding that I'd like nothing more than to get my hands on some good industrial, heck, even make some if people are interested, but my thinking's probably outside the box and genre for the moment.
I've thought about it before and, if I were to envision my perfect 'recycler' industrial sound that takes something going on now or in the not so distant past and mashes it up it would be 'dirty south' beats and things like that. I remember the first time I heard Let Me In by Young Buck and I so wanted to get an instrumental from that, get an acapella from a Skinny Puppy track, and do a Danger Mouse style Young Buck vs. Skinny Puppy or something along those lines. If anything I think current commercial hip hop or even from a couple years back - sounds like Kryptonite, TI beats, even going back and raiding some Fugees type stuff, would be slick where it works.
As for how I'd want to use dnb though, I think what industrial interpretations that I've heard lose in the dnb sound is that Aliens/Pitch Black/Bladerunner type sexiness. When you take on dnb but make it feel like KMFDM took it, asserted 'their' mood over it, and threw out the dnb mystique: that's where, at least for me, it falls down. How would I love it?? If they did things like say, had a typical industrial tune where its cold, icey, atmospheric, stuttering type beats (Harsh Stone White by Skinny Puppy is one of my favorites) and it might start with either an openness or lack of drums where you're not sure where its going and then a very Photek-like use of the drumwork comes down where it continues to trip over itself, sidewind, etc. but even moreso that traditional dnb, or it could be simply a texture - like dnb breaks on a highpass kinda floating at the top, shimmering in a real chromed-out and wintery kind of way but never really touching down to the surface of the track. Another idea; take another big open/minimal industrial track and for synths add the 'What The' synth patch from Doc Scott - VIP Rider's Ghost or add the, I'm going to call it the banshee wail (the three-tiered dropping synth that's loaded with distortion and reverb) from Jonny L - Wish You Had Something.
Heck, there is a tune and I was going to post it but alas, Youtube sucks these days; its called Horse by Nico and Instra:mental, its dnb that sounds much more like industrial than dnb but it comes out sounding like the kind of industrial that I'd love (very Se7enish 'dark side of heroin' type sound). Sadly thanks to either changing policies or forgetfulness of users though its not there anymore.
Lol, don't worry, I'm not asking you to go find it - I know I'm asking for the impossible. Still though - stuff that has classy hip hop, trip hop, and dnb influences more in the moods and usages of sounds is what I'd be all over. I could even see some of the 2006/2007ish dubstep and it sort of.....hard to pin words on it....1920's abstract art style stiltedness... soaked into industrial.
I guess I'm also saying; if anyone here who wants to start an experiment is looking for someone who's thinking the way I am - hit me up by PM! We can match beats and see what we've got!
Good industrial is the best, too bad that it's almost impossible to find other recommendations other than AA gave me, industrial metal is even worse in that department, 0,01% = good -> rest = s**t. There is a lot of evil dark dnb out there, but even there you got a point. Good stuff is just rare these days...

It blew me away back in 96' still sounds heavier and groovier than most stuff these days IMO. I think the rawness and tribal percussion from actual tribes added a real primal feel that has never been heard before or since, at least - not like that.
Yeah I totally agree with you there. Has a different sound to it. Songs on it like Ratamahatta in particular have that primal fell to it I think.

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