Sliding scale of realism vs escapism in fiction

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11 May 2020, 5:47 pm

How "realistic" should we attempt to make our fiction? Obviously, stories will involve things like dragons and magic, sci fi and stuff. I'm thinking more in terms of characters, relationships, and anything that could be taken as social commentary.

You could write a story that's exactly like real-life in all of these domains, with realistic progression of events and relationships. But obviously there are drawbacks to that. Namely, if I want to live real life, I can just live it. There is some utility to more dramatic and sentimental plotlines occurring in fiction than irl. (In the TV show Crazy Ex Girlfriend, there is a song about real life not being a movie, with the line "life doesn't make narrative sense." But Crazy Ex Girlfriend itself obviously is not like real life. So some unrealistically dramatic elements can be good for a fictional piece.)

On the other hand, some would say that writers have a responsibility to be careful about anything they write which could be possibly taken as social commentary. For example, the romanticization of abusive behavior that occurs with some novels (Twilight and 50 Shades of Grey). The author and fans may say "it's just a story", but these are stories that can and have been used to groom impressionable victims.


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11 May 2020, 5:53 pm

When I write fiction, I like to be historically accurate.

I wouldn’t write a story where there’s a dial phone within a 1900 context.



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11 May 2020, 6:16 pm

"Social commentary" is fine. A lot of literature is exactly that. Like "Uncle Tom's Cabin" is commentary opposing slavery.

You mean unintentionally glorifying something that is undesirable...like vigilantism, or spousal abuse, or slavery, or whatever. One guy I knew was dreaming of writing a novel that was a kind of hybrid sci-fi with a Tom Clancy type war story. Aliens attacking the earth. But it involved crashed aliens being tortured by the American earthing captors at Rosewell. And this coworker guy and I were talking about this idea during the W.Bush years (Abu Grab, and other reports of abuses in the middle east wars) when torture of pows was a hot button issue. I advised him to be careful how he handled torture in his story.

Does Bela Swan get abused by her vampire boyfriend in Twilight? I know that Shades of Gray is all about S+M, and there is some S+M in Anne Rice novels.



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11 May 2020, 6:19 pm

Yes, her vampire boyfriend breaks into her house and watches her sleep. It is not very romantic.

People will say "I'm allowed to have my fantasy", but I've known of people who were groomed using these stories.


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11 May 2020, 8:30 pm

Let your conscience be your guide about morality. All I can say. Its a heavy question.

Violating internal logic is a greater sin than violating external logic.

For example if your full rigged 18th Century Spanish Main pirate ship is equipped with torpedo tubes- then that's an historic anachronism that violates external logic. Bad enough. But if your pirate characters USE the torpedoes to sink treasure ships instead of boarding the treasure ships first to plunder them then that violates internal logic. Worse because the whole point of being a pirate is rob ships (or to steal the ships themselves), and not to sink them. So if you have to give your pirates torpedo tubes then make sure that they use them in defense against "the cops" (naval warships out to get them), and not on their quarry of merchantmen.



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11 May 2020, 8:43 pm

There's "hard" fiction, there's "soft" fiction, and there's Trump' speeches.

Seriously, though, "hard" fiction follows the principles of physics -- no magic, no psionics, no supernatural, no faster-than-light travel -- or some reasonable extrapolation thereof. "Hard" fiction also tends to feature the "hard" studies, as well (e.g., Science, Technology, Engineering, Maths).

"Soft" fiction allows for those things that science prohibits. "Soft" fiction tends to feature the "softer" studies (e.g., Humanities, Arts, Social-Sciences).

For instance, here is a list of 20 Rules for Writing Detective Fiction:

1. The reader must have equal opportunity with the detective for solving the mystery.  All clues must be plainly stated and described.

2. No willful tricks or deceptions may be placed on the reader other than those played legitimately by the criminal on the detective himself.

3. There must be no love interest.  The business in hand is to bring a criminal to the bar of justice, not to bring a lovelorn couple to the hymeneal altar.

4. The detective himself, or one of the official investigators, should never turn out to be the culprit.  This is bald trickery, on a par with offering some one a bright penny for a five-dollar gold piece.  It's false pretenses.

5. The culprit must be determined by logical deductions -- not by accident or coincidence or unmotivated confession.  To solve a criminal problem in this latter fashion is like sending the reader on a deliberate wild-goose chase, and then telling him, after he has failed, that you had the object of his search up your sleeve all the time.  Such an author is no better than a practical joker.

6. The detective novel must have a detective in it; and a detective is not a detective unless he detects.  His function is to gather clues that will eventually lead to the person who did the dirty work in the first chapter; and if the detective does not reach his conclusions through an analysis of those clues, he has no more solved his problem than the schoolboy who gets his answer out of the back of the arithmetic.

7. There simply must be a corpse in a detective novel, and the deader the corpse the better.  No lesser crime than murder will suffice.  Three hundred pages is far too much pother for a crime other than murder.  After all, the reader's trouble and expenditure of energy must be rewarded.

8. The problem of the crime must he solved by strictly naturalistic means.  Such methods for learning the truth as slate-writing, ouija-boards, mind-reading, spiritualistic seances, crystal-gazing, and the like, are taboo. A reader has a chance when matching his wits with a rationalistic detective, but if he must compete with the world of spirits and go chasing about the fourth dimension of metaphysics, he is defeated ab initio.

9. There must be but one detective -- that is, but one protagonist of deduction -- one deus ex machina.  To bring the minds of three or four, or sometimes a gang of detectives to bear on a problem, is not only to disperse the interest and break the direct thread of logic, but to take an unfair advantage of the reader.  If there is more than one detective the reader doesn't know who his co-deductor is.  It's like making the reader run a race with a relay team.

10. The culprit must turn out to be a person who has played a more or less prominent part in the story -- that is, a person with whom the reader is familiar and in whom he takes an interest.

11. A servant must not be chosen by the author as the culprit.  This is begging a noble question.  It is a too easy solution.  The culprit must be a decidedly worth-while person -- one that wouldn't ordinarily come under suspicion.

12. There must be but one culprit, no matter how many murders are committed.  The culprit may, of course, have a minor helper or co-plotter; but the entire onus must rest on one pair of shoulders: the entire indignation of the reader must be permitted to concentrate on a single black nature.

13. Secret societies, camorras, mafias, et al., have no place in a detective story.  A fascinating and truly beautiful murder is irremediably spoiled by any such wholesale culpability.  To be sure, the murderer in a detective novel should be given a sporting chance; but it is going too far to grant him a secret society to fall back on.  No high-class, self-respecting murderer would want such odds.

14. The method of murder, and the means of detecting it, must be be rational and scientific.  That is to say, pseudo-science and purely imaginative and speculative devices are not to be tolerated in the roman policier.  Once an author soars into the realm of fantasy, in the Jules Verne manner, he is outside the bounds of detective fiction, cavorting in the uncharted reaches of adventure.

15. The truth of the problem must at all times be apparent -- provided the reader is shrewd enough to see it.  By this I mean that if the reader, after learning the explanation for the crime, should reread the book, he would see that the solution had, in a sense, been staring him in the face -- that all the clues really pointed to the culprit -- and that, if he had been as clever as the detective, he could have solved the mystery himself without going on to the final chapter.  That the clever reader does often thus solve the problem goes without saying.

16. A detective novel should contain no long descriptive passages, no literary dallying with side-issues, no subtly worked-out character analyses, no "atmospheric" preoccupations.  Such matters have no vital place in a record of crime and deduction.  They hold up the action and introduce issues irrelevant to the main purpose, which is to state a problem, analyze it, and bring it to a successful conclusion.  To be sure, there must be a sufficient descriptiveness and character delineation to give the novel verisimilitude.

17. A professional criminal must never be shouldered with the guilt of a crime in a detective story.  Crimes by housebreakers and bandits are the province of the police departments -- not of authors and brilliant amateur detectives.  A really fascinating crime is one committed by a pillar of a church, or a spinster noted for her charities.

18. A crime in a detective story must never turn out to be an accident or a suicide.  To end an odyssey of sleuthing with such an anti-climax is to hoodwink the trusting and kind-hearted reader.

19. The motives for all crimes in detective stories should be personal.  International plottings and war politics belong in a different category of fiction -- in secret-service tales, for instance.  But a murder story must be kept gemütlich, so to speak. It must reflect the reader's everyday experiences, and give him a certain outlet for his own repressed desires and emotions.

20. And (to give my Credo an even score of items) I herewith list a few of the devices which no self-respecting detective story writer will now avail himself of. They have been employed too often, and are familiar to all true lovers of literary crime. To use them is a confession of the author's ineptitude and lack of originality.

(a) Determining the identity of the culprit by comparing the butt of a cigarette left at the scene of the crime with the brand smoked by a suspect.

(b) The bogus spiritualistic seance to frighten the culprit into giving himself away.

(c) Forged fingerprints.

(d) The dummy-figure alibi.

(e) The dog that does not bark and thereby reveals the fact that the intruder is familiar.

(f) The final pinning of the crime on a twin, or a relative who looks exactly like the suspected, but innocent, person.

(g) The hypodermic syringe and the knockout drops.

(h) The commission of the murder in a locked room after the police have actually broken in.

(i) The word association test for guilt.

(j) The cipher, or code letter, which is eventually unraveled by the sleuth.


Source:
"20 Rules For Writing Detective Stories”, by S.S. Van Dine


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