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ZedSimon
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16 Aug 2005, 11:00 pm

I just got a very nice turntable for a very nice price. Listening to it right now, in fact. It reminds me of why I like records so much. They sound amazing if your table's set up right, and there's stuff on vinyl that you just can't get on CD. It's real magic. Anyone with me here?



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17 Aug 2005, 12:21 am

When I was young I had my own fisher price type record player and some disney music and alvin and the chipmunks to go with it. I don't know if my parents gave it away or if it is up in the attic somewhere...

Anyway, I understand what you mean about the magic of it. :)



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17 Aug 2005, 7:48 am

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They sound amazing if your table's set up right, and there's stuff on vinyl that you just can't get on CD. It's real magic. Anyone with me here?


I'm with ya there ZedSimon! :D My son and I have a vast collection of vinyl (and CD's, too) Lots of "old school" and classic rock, a bit of motown and some jazz and blues.

My son also has a collection of old, old school records - 78's and even a rather large collection of Edison Phonograph Records. He plays some of the Jazz (Duke, Armstrong, Goodman...) on his newer table and you're right, it's magic! The Edison records can only be played on his Edison Phonograph - no electricity necessary! - just alot of hand cranking action. When he plays those records, I get gooseflesh just thinking that these records were recorded in 1904, over 100 years ago. That can only be described as magic, as far as I'm concerned.


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17 Aug 2005, 8:18 am

I do enjoy certain music in certain media. Hearing some older music on vinyl is the only way to hear those songs. It's also true of casette tapes. Listening to the Genesis album "Tresspass" just doesn't sound right on CD. I'm sure that listening to it on vinyl is very good, but listening to it on an old cassette with the tape hiss, static, and distortions of the medium is just a wonderful experience.


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17 Aug 2005, 8:49 am

ZedSimon wrote:
there's stuff on vinyl that you just can't get on CD.


Yes there is stuff on vinyl that isn't on CD: dust pops and clicks, warp effects, lots of low level hiss and rumble, less dynamic range...


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17 Aug 2005, 11:12 am

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Yes there is stuff on vinyl that isn't on CD: dust pops and clicks, warp effects, lots of low level hiss and rumble, less dynamic range...


Perfection is over-rated :P A little dust-pop-click-hiss and rumble gives it style, but what do I know? I'm a little warped myself :lol:


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17 Aug 2005, 11:22 am

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Yes there is stuff on vinyl that isn't on CD: dust pops and clicks, warp effects, lots of low level hiss and rumble, less dynamic range...


Perfection is over-rated :P A little dust-pop-click-hiss and rumble gives it style, but what do I know? I'm a little warped myself :lol:


LOL

Actually I have software that recreates the characteristics of vinyl rather well, so technically I could make a CD that you would think was vinyl. You can even get CDs manufactured that look like LPs.


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17 Aug 2005, 11:33 am

A friend of mine has a lot of vinyls. They’re pretty cool.



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17 Aug 2005, 11:46 am

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Actually I have software that recreates the characteristics of vinyl rather well, so technically I could make a CD that you would think was vinyl. You can even get CDs manufactured that look like LPs.


I have seen the CD's that look like mini LP's - they're so kewl.

I also have strangely shaped CD's with different types of music on them - collector-type stuff that really can be played in some CD players.

I wish I could find a cheap (emphasis on the cheap) way of recording our old 78's & Edison records and burning them on CD. Any suggestions?


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17 Aug 2005, 1:07 pm

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Actually I have software that recreates the characteristics of vinyl rather well, so technically I could make a CD that you would think was vinyl. You can even get CDs manufactured that look like LPs.


I have seen the CD's that look like mini LP's - they're so kewl.

I also have strangely shaped CD's with different types of music on them - collector-type stuff that really can be played in some CD players.

I wish I could find a cheap (emphasis on the cheap) way of recording our old 78's & Edison records and burning them on CD. Any suggestions?


Yes. What type of sound card do you have? You would probably also need a small pre-amp to hook the turntable up to the sound card and a couple of decent cables (not Radio Shack ones). You could then use something like Magix Audio Cleaning Lab 10 ($30.00):

http://site.magix.net/index.php?id=411

Phono preamp: http://www.zzounds.com/item--ARTDJPREII (cheapest)

Good sound card: http://www.zzounds.com/item--EMU8803 (best low price one - requires cables with 1/4" phone plugs for input)

Easy sound card: http://www.zzounds.com/item--MDOAP2496 (easier to use, but not as good as the one above)

Cheap USB option: http://www.zzounds.com/item--EDIUA1X (not sure about quality - never heard it)

Cable prices: http://www.zzounds.com/prodsearch?form= ... RCA+cables

Cables included you would be looking at around $150.00 for good quality. For less quality and lower price you can work with your existing soundcard using just the ART preamp and the software ($80 to $90 with cables). You can get those small mini and business card CDRs that will work in your CD burner, but they hold less data.

Edit: I put " - requires cables with 1/4" phone plugs for input" on the wrong thing.


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17 Aug 2005, 9:21 pm

DeepThought wrote:
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Yes there is stuff on vinyl that isn't on CD: dust pops and clicks, warp effects, lots of low level hiss and rumble, less dynamic range...


Perfection is over-rated :P A little dust-pop-click-hiss and rumble gives it style, but what do I know? I'm a little warped myself :lol:


LOL

Actually I have software that recreates the characteristics of vinyl rather well, so technically I could make a CD that you would think was vinyl. You can even get CDs manufactured that look like LPs.


Actually, if you fiddle around enough with the WinAmp equalizer you could probably make everything sound a lot like vinyl.


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17 Aug 2005, 10:20 pm

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DeepThought wrote:
monastic wrote:
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Yes there is stuff on vinyl that isn't on CD: dust pops and clicks, warp effects, lots of low level hiss and rumble, less dynamic range...


Perfection is over-rated :P A little dust-pop-click-hiss and rumble gives it style, but what do I know? I'm a little warped myself :lol:


LOL

Actually I have software that recreates the characteristics of vinyl rather well, so technically I could make a CD that you would think was vinyl. You can even get CDs manufactured that look like LPs.


Actually, if you fiddle around enough with the WinAmp equalizer you could probably make everything sound a lot like vinyl.


I don't use Winamp. I have a recording studio and can apply varoius sampled vinyl qualities (including warps and scratches) to up to 24-Bit/192 kHz digital audio for professional quality music production.


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18 Aug 2005, 4:07 pm

Monastic! We must talk some more. I have about 100 or so 78s I rescued from a record store near me that was throwing them out (that's how I get my best stuff, BTW!) And those Edison records...big thick ones with the thin sheets of shellac attached to the slab in the middle? Found a few of those too. Just got nut'm to play 'em on! And some day soon I hope to have a 78-capable phono.

- Your Vinyl Lovin' Zed, who's currently enjoying U2's The Joshua Tree - on vinyl.



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18 Aug 2005, 5:21 pm

ZedSimon wrote:
Monastic! We must talk some more. I have about 100 or so 78s I rescued from a record store near me that was throwing them out (that's how I get my best stuff, BTW!) And those Edison records...big thick ones with the thin sheets of shellac attached to the slab in the middle? Found a few of those too. Just got nut'm to play 'em on! And some day soon I hope to have a 78-capable phono.

- Your Vinyl Lovin' Zed, who's currently enjoying U2's The Joshua Tree - on vinyl.


I will be glad to talk with you more. You can PM me with any questions, or find me in the chatroom sometimes (usually using the name BigGiantHead). 100 of them will be a major task. You will need a lot of free hard drive space.


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18 Aug 2005, 6:07 pm

Wuhhh...you're two people! DeepThought AND Monastic!



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18 Aug 2005, 6:17 pm

ZedSimon wrote:
Wuhhh...you're two people! DeepThought AND Monastic!


No. Nevermind my reply then. Wasn't paying attention because of something that happened at home.

Why do I even bother???


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