Please help me (NT woman) understand. All advice welcome.
Since when do we Aspies ever get hints?
Yea, they'd have to be quite direct. Something like I was speaking of earlier; "whenever I am upset, just give me a hug"
I honestly don't know, I am terrible at communicating with people when they act like that. You've got a lot more patience than I do. One thing, the "I did this to you because you did it to me first..." thing is pretty destructive and childish. I think it's probably important you address that with him and explain the difference between you asking for time to cool off and him being passive aggressive and retaliating to the perceived slight instead of talking to you about it..
You seem to be keeping pretty cool about it, honestly I would dump my partner if he/she acted like that.
You don't really know he full story behind why they fought. All we can tell from her OP is that she was stressed out and angry and admitted she needed to cool off.
She told him she needed some time to cool off, so she would be able to think about it clearly, that sounds like someone having self-control and dealing with upset feelings in a healthy way.
Asking for space is normal and healthy in a relationship. Deciding to give the silent treatment with no explanation as to why that is happening is passive aggressive and cruel.
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It's very slightly implied at the beginning. We don't know why they fought, except she's the one who couldn't control her temper then had to disappear for 2(or so?) days. Then she expected him to just welcome her back with no permanent issue - after all, she wasn't angry anymore.
His not responding is NOT cruel. Why do you think it's okay for someone to get so mad, and fight so much that they have to leave for DAYS? That's pretty extreme temper and anyone who's not thick-skinned is going to recoil from that.
I find it amusing how, even though she was the aggressor, some still say to dump him for merely not responding to her fast enough after she's decided to come back and pretend everything's fine and nothing happened. (Then got angry again when she didn't get the reaction she was hoping for.)
While every Aspie is different, most are quite analytical. The past is an indicator of the future... and one savage out-of-control fight usually means more on the horizon.
I wouldn't be surprised if he's worried that you can't control your temper and all the negatives that go with it.
Since when do we Aspies ever get hints?
I find it amusing that you initially acknowledge that it's only "very slightly implied" in the beginning and then move on to rephrasing her to say she fought so much she had to disappear for days. Describing it as snarling and blasting etc.. Which is how you constantly describe most women..
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Regardless of what he did or did not understand, I let him know very clearly that this wasn't a cool way to express his anger towards me. But how much of this is about not understanding? I just feel so skeptical that a person could have so many missed calls and not think something was wrong...or that they could receive a text message begging to know what's going on, but purposely ignore it. But then, I also have never really dealt with an AS bf before.
We've had instances like this before where I am completely confused. Another example of a conversation...
Me: I am exhausted from work, feel sick to my stomach, and in general feel like I'm losing it. I am so upset.
Him: Why are you upset?
THIS BLOWS MY MIND.
(...)
sounds like a couple of pages out of my own life.
That's exactly what I'm trying to say. I'm hardly the first person to make a comment about this.
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Has anyone considered that the fight may have caused him to overload or shutdown?
Especially if alexithymia is present, it probably took a few hours for him to actually register what just happened before his emotions would hit him hard and full on without any warning.
If I am in the middle of a shutdown, it's perfectly normal for me not to answer any messages, regardless of who they're from.
Most of the time I don't even look at my phone or email.
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Especially if alexithymia is present, it probably took a few hours for him to actually register what just happened before his emotions would hit him hard and full on without any warning.
If I am in the middle of a shutdown, it's perfectly normal for me not to answer any messages, regardless of who they're from.
Most of the time I don't even look at my phone or email.
It's possible, I'm only assuming that's not the case due to how she described his explanation.
At this point I'm just waiting for a follow-up post from the OP which might clear some of our questions/assumptions up.
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I got busy and didn't get a chance to really look at this until now and all I can say is thank you. Everyone saw the situation from a really difference angle, but it was so helpful to see it all spelled out. Nearly all of it rings true, and well, I just can't say thank you enough for your help.
To answer some questions and add context, first I have to apologize. I didn't include all of this information in the first post because I thought it would be overwhelming to read, and I didn't think anyone would actually reply. I'm glad you did though, so hopefully I can help answer some questions.
First of all, I do want to confess that this fight lead to the first time we really talked about the possibility that he might have asperger's. I'm sorry if I was misleading by not mentioning this. I know how poorly a community can react when someone simply suspects a diagnosis, but doesn't know for sure.
Second, maybe this will help explain why our fight seemed so big. We don't normally take days off from each other to deal with our problems, but in this case, we had argued about the same thing over and over again. For us to argue, just one more time, well, it was the straw that broke the camel's back.
Whoever questioned my fault in the situation was right to point out how aversion could play such a big part in this situation. During our fight, he told me that he lied to me because he was trying to avoid conflict. I told him the lying WAS the conflict. Realizing just how poorly our messages get conveyed to each other, I see how things went terribly, terribly wrong.
You all really helped me understand what a meltdown can look like. I had never realized before that this was what was happening. Obviously, we have a lot to learn together, but some of your suggestions are ones that should have been a part of our relationship regardless of whether or not asperger's was a part of it. I should always be mindful that asking for specific things (like hugs!) is going to be more effective than asking for vague things ("Support me!").
Right now, all of this talk about asperger's is still really new and overwhelming to both of us. If/when he seems like he wants to know more or talk about it more, I'm going to direct him here.
Thanks again for all of your support.
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We discuss. I ask him why he would do something like that, and he said it's because I did the same thing to him. I explain to him that there's a big difference between the two situations. I ask him, "What would I have to text or say to you to make you answer the phone to let me know you're okay?" He answered very matter of factly, "Oh, well like, if you were really worried I would've stopped to let you know."
WrongPlanet, please explain.
Regardless of what he did or did not understand, I let him know very clearly that this wasn't a cool way to express his anger towards me. But how much of this is about not understanding? I just feel so skeptical that a person could have so many missed calls and not think something was wrong...or that they could receive a text message begging to know what's going on, but purposely ignore it. But then, I also have never really dealt with an AS bf before.
We've had instances like this before where I am completely confused. Another example of a conversation...
Me: I am exhausted from work, feel sick to my stomach, and in general feel like I'm losing it. I am so upset.
Him: Why are you upset?
THIS BLOWS MY MIND.
Please help me understand. I feel I'm not being fair, but I also need to know what his limitations are in these situations. I understand what asperger's is about, but obviously need some help. Couldn't some of these things be understood logically? Can he really not see how his actions could be interpreted as cruel and worrisome?
Ugh, I just don't get it. Please, help me learn. And thank you in advance to all of the kind people that reply.
Nobody likes being pushed around and cut off, even temporarily. He might have felt used and abused.
He knew. It's not really a matter of understanding. But he sees a moral equivalence in his mind and feels angry and like he needs to finally stick up for himself. He may have gotten advice like this from NT alpha males and then misapplied it.
I had a situation like this, but I responded and asked for another chat, which I used as an opportunity to break up with the girl. Maybe he wants to do this but has mixed feelings about it.
why I thought asperger's...
- extremely intelligent (high IQ at a young age)
- preoccupation with a few interests (and will tell you all about them even if you don't understand!)
- has trouble with hypothetical situations (will respond to minor details about hypothetical situation that have little to do with the point being made)
- has some sensory issues (some clothes feel "wrong")
- doesn't actually avoid contact with other people, but when he does get the chance to interact, can fail to understand why some social interactions were not successful
- some delayed speech at a very young age
- remarkably good at memorizing facts (but only about the stuff he cares deeply about...he might not remember what he ate yesterday)
- we have a tendency to struggle with establishing whose turn it is to speak
- difficulty identifying feelings (will tell me doesn't know how he feels, or that he doesn't feel anything, may miss the sad tone of a statement and talk over it)
- diagnosed ADHD (but only recently)
- thinks visually
It's possible avoidant personality disorder could have developed after a lifetime of undiagnosed asperger's though, right? Do you think this is what it could be? I've never really known asperger's outside of what you can read on the internet and I realize that's a limited amount of knowledge.
Especially if alexithymia is present, it probably took a few hours for him to actually register what just happened before his emotions would hit him hard and full on without any warning.
If I am in the middle of a shutdown, it's perfectly normal for me not to answer any messages, regardless of who they're from.
Most of the time I don't even look at my phone or email.
It's possible, I'm only assuming that's not the case due to how she described his explanation.
At this point I'm just waiting for a follow-up post from the OP which might clear some of our questions/assumptions up.
I was saying the same thing, just a different wording. You'll accept it from a woman though... is it ALL men or just me you hate so passionately?
Yeah, that's one that always bugged me... "Support me" means nothing!! It's so incredibly vague, one can only guess at what she actually wants... does she want a hug? Moral support? Garment support? Do I need to fight someone? What - what the hell do you want??? When I ask for what she actually wants she'd only get red in the face and scream, again, "SUPPORT me!" Saying the same thing a second time was still just as vague as the first, and still as unhelpful. If you want a hug, ask for that. If you want hair stroking, a kind word, foot rub, ??? - just ask for it! Don't make him guess! Men have a hard time guessing as it is; Aspie men are even worse at guessing and hinting. (Oh how I hate the blasted hinting!!)
You talk about arguing over the same thing over and over, I imagine it's just like the above - you keep trying to say something without actually saying it, hoping he'll get some sort of unspoken hint. You're getting madder and madder because he won't TAKE the hint. The more angry you get, the more likely he'll say anything it takes to get you to stop throwing rage at him... which only enrages you MORE because it's not what you want to hear. He has no idea what you want to hear because you're speaking in hints and riddles.
BE. DIRECT. (Even if you think "any idiot should know what I'm trying to say." Just say what you really mean instead. Simple. Direct. It'll be good, honest!!)
With a little work in communication, you guys can do this!
Especially if alexithymia is present, it probably took a few hours for him to actually register what just happened before his emotions would hit him hard and full on without any warning.
If I am in the middle of a shutdown, it's perfectly normal for me not to answer any messages, regardless of who they're from.
Most of the time I don't even look at my phone or email.
It's possible, I'm only assuming that's not the case due to how she described his explanation.
At this point I'm just waiting for a follow-up post from the OP which might clear some of our questions/assumptions up.
I was saying the same thing, just a different wording. You'll accept it from a woman though... is it ALL men or just me you hate so passionately?
You're being ridiculous. She disagreed with your interpretation, and that means she hates you?
Also, she wasn't accepting anything "from a woman" as opposed to "from a man"; rather, she was waiting to hear what happened from one of the people who was actually involved in the situation.
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