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That's just a horrible line of reasoning and massive over-generalisation. Do you see yourself as just one of many short guys who nobody wants to date, or do you see yourself as ..you? I have lost whatever sympathy I may have had for you and let this be a prime example why shortness is indeed an issue. You are just not very nice, basically. Oh congratulations, you are a jerk! But sadly you are a short jerk so no sex for you. Shame.

Hoooleeee f**k.
Nice Guy (TM) on exhibit.

Here's how I translate that: 'I only treat women as well as I treat dogs if they sleep with me, otherwise, screw them, especially if they're not what I consider perfect but are successful with men I consider dominant to myself.'

How is that Nice Guy (TM) on exhibit? My message is basically that nice guys finish last. Don't go the extra mile for a girl if you wouldn't even do that for one of your bros. Unless you know that she sees you in "that way". I advocate that men start asking, "what's in it for me?" and stop with their white knighting BS. I won't white knight for a girl just because she's pretty and smiles at me. She has to earn that. Women are used to having everything handed to them by white knights. So they don't feel like they have to work for a man's affections.

Your post is dripping with Nice Guy Syndrome. I honestly don't understand how you can't see that.

The difference between me and guys with Nice Guy Syndrome is that nice guys actively do favours for women in hopes that they'd get the p**** in return. I just don't do favours for women unless I get a guarantee that I'm getting what I want out of the transaction (and I'm not talking about sex necessarily. Though I would want that eventually of course). I am done with that s**t. Though I may soften my "don't pay her tab on the date" stance since my female friend recently made a good argument that guys should pay on the first date because girls put more effort to prepare for a date than men do typically. That aside, men white knight like crazy. White knighting women makes them arrogant and spoiled. And it has to stop. I wouldn't white knight a girl who hasn't shown affections for me. I'm ok waiting a few dates for sex. Or possibly more. Depending on my sex drive at the time.

@LKL
As for not-so-perfect women having successful interactions with tall alpha males, that depends on whether you consider being pumped and dumped a successful interaction. I probably would. But most women don't see it that way. Women should be grateful when a man even wants to have sex with her. The female orgasm is also more intense than the male one. So they should be happy when a tall dominant alpha male has sex with them. Giving them pleasure that no man can enjoy himself. There are plenty of incel males on this forum after all who aren't getting laid.

You know, you do make height an issue you too, you're no better than feenie.

What you are basically saying above that a tall jerk would still deserves sex while a short jerk doesn't.
What's the difference between the two whiny jerks other than height?

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@feenie: Yeah... no. You describe yourself as a nice guy, then basically admit to treating women like garbage if they aren't sleeping with you. I won't even get into your comment about overweight women thinking they're 'the s**t'.

Nice Guy Syndrome.

You can nit-pick all you want and say it ain't so, but it doesn't change how you come across to others.

I was a nice guy. But then I stopped being a nice guy and embraced my inner spergy a**hole (much like Mark Zuckerberg in The Social Network. Except I'm not THAT nasty) when I saw that being nice to women amounted to nothing but being taken advantage of for that kindness.

I can be a nice guy. But that has to be earned.

Overweight women who have the nerve to b***h about how guys are shallow for not finding them attractive but then have no problem criticizing short men do in fact think they are "the s**t". They have an inflated sense of dating market value. They think that just because some tall alpha guy pumped and dumped them that they can eventually snag an alpha as a boyfriend for real.

You know how hurtful it is when I saw an obese woman in a group I was socializing with say in front of me that she thought Bruno Mars was attractive but that he's just too short. I have like maybe 1 inch on Bruno Mars. How do you think that makes me feel? How do you think she'd feel if I said about Adele "oh she's attractive but she's too fat?" I'll be more sympathetic of heavier ladies when they are more sympathetic of shorter gentleman. Cold War style.

It's time you use submarines.

Well, if someone could kindly start proving me wrong in my terrible short-eist prejudice, I would very much welcome it. And no, I was not saying that a tall jerk still deserves sex. Nobody deserves sex it's not a reward it is an exchange of affection between two people ideally. I do not wish to live in the world where people are treated as commodities that's slavery and prostitution. Not my cup of tea.

I'm sorry you're so bitter that reality has distorted this much.

PS I wouldn't date you if you were the last man on earth. I have more self-respect than that.

This kept bugging me for some reason and now I know why. He is not Nice Guy (TM), he is Mommy's Precious Darling (TM), as he clearly expects that his emotions are responsibility of others not himself.

I can definitely see that. His "I'm treating you like dirt until you are nice to me" mentality certainly fits.

Here's a hint, cupcake:
nothing has changed about you. You're still the same guy who thought that your interactions with women were some sort of financial exchange, that women deserve respect based on how they look, and that women are basically like a poorly engineered product that frustratingly won't do what you want, when you want it. Your behavior might have changed, but your fundamental disrespect and dishonesty have not.

Your prejdice against short men and short women is way beyond repair.
You can try to make a thread about proving you but I think your case is hopeless.

I see feenie making some very valid points. Yes.