People letting themselves go once in a relationship.

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02 Sep 2014, 12:24 pm

Bottom line, for me, is when I am with a partner I would want that partner to try and keep up with me or I them, hiking, bicycling, etc. and at least try and stay in fair health for as long as she can for healthier and longer lives shared together. I do not expect her to try and stay skinny and sexy forever for me. my basic rule of thumb is if (during my prime) there was an emergency then I can carry her to safety, if she was to fat for that something is wrong (and I used to work construction mason/carpenter/concrete worker). to me this seemed reasonable.


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02 Sep 2014, 12:41 pm

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I can imagine Kurgan shouting at women to get in the gym or lose some weight, I wouldn't of thought of him the the most tactful human in history.


I never got that impression from him. You on the other hand


No, the whole point of this thread is trying to change a girl, I wouldn't bother with that instead I just go for women who are already extremely skinny or have a healthy diet, my current eats very healthy and she has a great skinny figure so I couldn't really see myself ever dating someone who wasn't skinny.
well then i hope you never get sick or have to go on medication that makes you gain weight, or that your partner is less shallow than you are and won't leave you if you do get fat, otherwise you're screwed. :lol:

aging and sickness happen, people: and those who care about how skinny you are rather than what sort of a person you are won't stick around for it when it does. so good luck. :thumright:


People should go with a similar body type to suit their lifestyle or dietary needs, someone with a high level of activity who doesn't share that but if you really love someone and something renders them unable to exercise, I could understand two people sticking it out in that scenario.



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02 Sep 2014, 12:55 pm

AlexanderDantes wrote:
starvingartist wrote:
AlexanderDantes wrote:
Yuzu wrote:
AlexanderDantes wrote:
I can imagine Kurgan shouting at women to get in the gym or lose some weight, I wouldn't of thought of him the the most tactful human in history.


I never got that impression from him. You on the other hand


No, the whole point of this thread is trying to change a girl, I wouldn't bother with that instead I just go for women who are already extremely skinny or have a healthy diet, my current eats very healthy and she has a great skinny figure so I couldn't really see myself ever dating someone who wasn't skinny.
well then i hope you never get sick or have to go on medication that makes you gain weight, or that your partner is less shallow than you are and won't leave you if you do get fat, otherwise you're screwed. :lol:

aging and sickness happen, people: and those who care about how skinny you are rather than what sort of a person you are won't stick around for it when it does. so good luck. :thumright:


People should go with a similar body type to suit their lifestyle or dietary needs, someone with a high level of activity who doesn't share that but if you really love someone and something renders them unable to exercise, I could understand two people sticking it out in that scenario.


i agree with you here--i've made a lot of changes in my own life in the last 10 years in regards to exercise and diet (i take much better care of myself than i used to, basically) and i wouldn't want to start a relationship with someone who had no interest in keeping themselves healthy because i know that if the relationship got serious it would negatively effect my ability to keep myself healthy because the bad habits of people one surrounds oneself with tend to rub off on one, and i wouldn't want to risk undoing all the progress i've made. if i'm going to share my life with someone that means sharing lifestyle as well. however, if i loved someone with a similar healthy lifestyle to myself and that person became ill and it effected their ability to keep up, i would not leave them and it wouldn't change how i feel about them.



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03 Sep 2014, 8:04 am

AlexanderDantes wrote:
starvingartist wrote:
AlexanderDantes wrote:
Yuzu wrote:
AlexanderDantes wrote:
I can imagine Kurgan shouting at women to get in the gym or lose some weight, I wouldn't of thought of him the the most tactful human in history.


I never got that impression from him. You on the other hand


No, the whole point of this thread is trying to change a girl, I wouldn't bother with that instead I just go for women who are already extremely skinny or have a healthy diet, my current eats very healthy and she has a great skinny figure so I couldn't really see myself ever dating someone who wasn't skinny.
well then i hope you never get sick or have to go on medication that makes you gain weight, or that your partner is less shallow than you are and won't leave you if you do get fat, otherwise you're screwed. :lol:

aging and sickness happen, people: and those who care about how skinny you are rather than what sort of a person you are won't stick around for it when it does. so good luck. :thumright:


People should go with a similar body type to suit their lifestyle or dietary needs, someone with a high level of activity who doesn't share that but if you really love someone and something renders them unable to exercise, I could understand two people sticking it out in that scenario.


Meh...my partner is slightly overweight, still he can easily do hiking, bicycle tours, ... with me. Being skinny /= being sporty. As long as you are not that overweight, that your joints are suffering from it, your silhouette does not say a thing about your endurance/ muscles/sport activites.



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03 Sep 2014, 4:13 pm

Schneekugel wrote:
AlexanderDantes wrote:
starvingartist wrote:
AlexanderDantes wrote:
Yuzu wrote:
AlexanderDantes wrote:
I can imagine Kurgan shouting at women to get in the gym or lose some weight, I wouldn't of thought of him the the most tactful human in history.


I never got that impression from him. You on the other hand


No, the whole point of this thread is trying to change a girl, I wouldn't bother with that instead I just go for women who are already extremely skinny or have a healthy diet, my current eats very healthy and she has a great skinny figure so I couldn't really see myself ever dating someone who wasn't skinny.
well then i hope you never get sick or have to go on medication that makes you gain weight, or that your partner is less shallow than you are and won't leave you if you do get fat, otherwise you're screwed. :lol:

aging and sickness happen, people: and those who care about how skinny you are rather than what sort of a person you are won't stick around for it when it does. so good luck. :thumright:


People should go with a similar body type to suit their lifestyle or dietary needs, someone with a high level of activity who doesn't share that but if you really love someone and something renders them unable to exercise, I could understand two people sticking it out in that scenario.


Meh...my partner is slightly overweight, still he can easily do hiking, bicycle tours, ... with me. Being skinny /= being sporty. As long as you are not that overweight, that your joints are suffering from it, your silhouette does not say a thing about your endurance/ muscles/sport activites.


The thing is that people usually don't know what overweight means. It doesn't mean 20-30 lbs too much of fat. To be fair, at 20% bodyfat or more, some muscles (most notably pecs and obliques) will look like extra fat if we're talking silhouette.


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03 Sep 2014, 4:16 pm

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I can imagine Kurgan shouting at women to get in the gym or lose some weight, I wouldn't of thought of him the the most tactful human in history.


I've dated both chubby and skinny-fat women before (come to think of it, I've dated women of many ethnicities, body shapes, heights, and so on). I never told them to change any aspect of their body, but some did out of their own free will.

I don't exercise to get laid myself (I got laid more when I was a skinny 70 kg guy struggling to do 85 kgs at the bench press).


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03 Sep 2014, 9:39 pm

Kurgan wrote:
Schneekugel wrote:
AlexanderDantes wrote:
starvingartist wrote:
AlexanderDantes wrote:
Yuzu wrote:
AlexanderDantes wrote:
I can imagine Kurgan shouting at women to get in the gym or lose some weight, I wouldn't of thought of him the the most tactful human in history.


I never got that impression from him. You on the other hand


No, the whole point of this thread is trying to change a girl, I wouldn't bother with that instead I just go for women who are already extremely skinny or have a healthy diet, my current eats very healthy and she has a great skinny figure so I couldn't really see myself ever dating someone who wasn't skinny.
well then i hope you never get sick or have to go on medication that makes you gain weight, or that your partner is less shallow than you are and won't leave you if you do get fat, otherwise you're screwed. :lol:

aging and sickness happen, people: and those who care about how skinny you are rather than what sort of a person you are won't stick around for it when it does. so good luck. :thumright:


People should go with a similar body type to suit their lifestyle or dietary needs, someone with a high level of activity who doesn't share that but if you really love someone and something renders them unable to exercise, I could understand two people sticking it out in that scenario.


Meh...my partner is slightly overweight, still he can easily do hiking, bicycle tours, ... with me. Being skinny /= being sporty. As long as you are not that overweight, that your joints are suffering from it, your silhouette does not say a thing about your endurance/ muscles/sport activites.


The thing is that people usually don't know what overweight means. It doesn't mean 20-30 lbs too much of fat. To be fair, at 20% bodyfat or more, some muscles (most notably pecs and obliques) will look like extra fat if we're talking silhouette.


whats overweight then? i'm about 30 pounds over my idea weight of 240-250 I figure i'm overweight but not obese.



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03 Sep 2014, 10:00 pm

If you're a man and have body fat percentage higher than 20, you're considered "fat".



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04 Sep 2014, 6:58 am

Schneekugel wrote:
AlexanderDantes wrote:
starvingartist wrote:
AlexanderDantes wrote:
Yuzu wrote:
AlexanderDantes wrote:
I can imagine Kurgan shouting at women to get in the gym or lose some weight, I wouldn't of thought of him the the most tactful human in history.


I never got that impression from him. You on the other hand


No, the whole point of this thread is trying to change a girl, I wouldn't bother with that instead I just go for women who are already extremely skinny or have a healthy diet, my current eats very healthy and she has a great skinny figure so I couldn't really see myself ever dating someone who wasn't skinny.
well then i hope you never get sick or have to go on medication that makes you gain weight, or that your partner is less shallow than you are and won't leave you if you do get fat, otherwise you're screwed. :lol:

aging and sickness happen, people: and those who care about how skinny you are rather than what sort of a person you are won't stick around for it when it does. so good luck. :thumright:


People should go with a similar body type to suit their lifestyle or dietary needs, someone with a high level of activity who doesn't share that but if you really love someone and something renders them unable to exercise, I could understand two people sticking it out in that scenario.


Meh...my partner is slightly overweight, still he can easily do hiking, bicycle tours, ... with me. Being skinny /= being sporty. As long as you are not that overweight, that your joints are suffering from it, your silhouette does not say a thing about your endurance/ muscles/sport activites.


Anyone can do anything, it's all about willpower, you might not be able to do it in a certain time but if you push yourself, you can do it and the more you do it, the better you get.

There's a huge difference between someone that cycles for hours every day as opposed to someone who hikes or cycles a couple of times a week. Try throwing in sprint intervals and fifty push ups every 50 meters and see if he looks fit afterwards.



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04 Sep 2014, 7:38 am

AlexanderDantes wrote:
Schneekugel wrote:
AlexanderDantes wrote:
starvingartist wrote:
AlexanderDantes wrote:
Yuzu wrote:
AlexanderDantes wrote:
I can imagine Kurgan shouting at women to get in the gym or lose some weight, I wouldn't of thought of him the the most tactful human in history.


I never got that impression from him. You on the other hand


No, the whole point of this thread is trying to change a girl, I wouldn't bother with that instead I just go for women who are already extremely skinny or have a healthy diet, my current eats very healthy and she has a great skinny figure so I couldn't really see myself ever dating someone who wasn't skinny.
well then i hope you never get sick or have to go on medication that makes you gain weight, or that your partner is less shallow than you are and won't leave you if you do get fat, otherwise you're screwed. :lol:

aging and sickness happen, people: and those who care about how skinny you are rather than what sort of a person you are won't stick around for it when it does. so good luck. :thumright:


People should go with a similar body type to suit their lifestyle or dietary needs, someone with a high level of activity who doesn't share that but if you really love someone and something renders them unable to exercise, I could understand two people sticking it out in that scenario.


Meh...my partner is slightly overweight, still he can easily do hiking, bicycle tours, ... with me. Being skinny /= being sporty. As long as you are not that overweight, that your joints are suffering from it, your silhouette does not say a thing about your endurance/ muscles/sport activites.


Anyone can do anything, it's all about willpower, you might not be able to do it in a certain time but if you push yourself, you can do it and the more you do it, the better you get.

There's a huge difference between someone that cycles for hours every day as opposed to someone who hikes or cycles a couple of times a week. Try throwing in sprint intervals and fifty push ups every 50 meters and see if he looks fit afterwards.


What if neither one of them give's a rat's a$$ about it? I believe that was Schneekugel's point.

Being a model of physical fitness is truly *not* most people's goal in life. Most people would like to be healthy, yes, but it is not necessary to have bulging muscles and six-pack abs to be healthy.

Reasonably strong muscles, the ability to be active when you want/need to - unless you're into bodybuilding for the sake of bodybuilding, that's all most people need. And they may actually live longer, healthier lives than the ones who obsess about their body shape.



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04 Sep 2014, 9:36 am

Eureka13 wrote:
AlexanderDantes wrote:
Schneekugel wrote:
AlexanderDantes wrote:
starvingartist wrote:
AlexanderDantes wrote:
Yuzu wrote:
AlexanderDantes wrote:
I can imagine Kurgan shouting at women to get in the gym or lose some weight, I wouldn't of thought of him the the most tactful human in history.


I never got that impression from him. You on the other hand


No, the whole point of this thread is trying to change a girl, I wouldn't bother with that instead I just go for women who are already extremely skinny or have a healthy diet, my current eats very healthy and she has a great skinny figure so I couldn't really see myself ever dating someone who wasn't skinny.
well then i hope you never get sick or have to go on medication that makes you gain weight, or that your partner is less shallow than you are and won't leave you if you do get fat, otherwise you're screwed. :lol:

aging and sickness happen, people: and those who care about how skinny you are rather than what sort of a person you are won't stick around for it when it does. so good luck. :thumright:


People should go with a similar body type to suit their lifestyle or dietary needs, someone with a high level of activity who doesn't share that but if you really love someone and something renders them unable to exercise, I could understand two people sticking it out in that scenario.


Meh...my partner is slightly overweight, still he can easily do hiking, bicycle tours, ... with me. Being skinny /= being sporty. As long as you are not that overweight, that your joints are suffering from it, your silhouette does not say a thing about your endurance/ muscles/sport activites.


Anyone can do anything, it's all about willpower, you might not be able to do it in a certain time but if you push yourself, you can do it and the more you do it, the better you get.

There's a huge difference between someone that cycles for hours every day as opposed to someone who hikes or cycles a couple of times a week. Try throwing in sprint intervals and fifty push ups every 50 meters and see if he looks fit afterwards.


What if neither one of them give's a rat's a$$ about it? I believe that was Schneekugel's point.

Being a model of physical fitness is truly *not* most people's goal in life. Most people would like to be healthy, yes, but it is not necessary to have bulging muscles and six-pack abs to be healthy.

Reasonably strong muscles, the ability to be active when you want/need to - unless you're into bodybuilding for the sake of bodybuilding, that's all most people need. And they may actually live longer, healthier lives than the ones who obsess about their body shape.


Not everyone needs to be a fitness model but it is silly to compare a Tour de France cyclist to someone that cycles a few times a week on a mountain bike, what they do is beyond limits and if you do that type of training for a year, you will have veins popping out of every part of your body.



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04 Sep 2014, 9:39 am

Of course, in the Tour De France (sorry for the cynicism), one must take into account the impact of performance-enhancing drugs.

Plus the "unwritten rules" of bike racing.....which involve lots of protocol.



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04 Sep 2014, 9:45 am

Ya know, letting ones self go, doesn't have to mean just their weight. people often hide behind their own masks until they cant hide it from a partner anymore, and then so honeymoon period often ends. a negative example of this, is like that of an abusive mate or one who tries to control their temper more in the more early stages of relationships. or that of a manic depressive that uses that thrill of a new relationship to keep them feeling alive until it wears off.


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Ya know, letting ones self go, doesn't have to mean just their weight. people often hide behind their own masks until they cant hide it from a partner anymore, and then so honeymoon period often ends. a negative example of this, is like that of an abusive mate or one who tries to control their temper more in the more early stages of relationships. or that of a manic depressive that uses that thrill of a new relationship to keep them feeling alive until it wears off.


Absolutely.



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04 Sep 2014, 1:04 pm

Yeah, I brought that up early on - it's a common pattern in relationships involving Aspies.



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04 Sep 2014, 1:24 pm

Yuzu wrote:
If you're a man and have body fat percentage higher than 20, you're considered "fat".


22%, to be precise. Come to think of it, large obliques look like excess fat if a man goes over 12% bodyfat.

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