More Thought on Incels.

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Well in this video, they talk about how a lot of women are not interested in guys in the early 20s and are more attracted to guys in their 30s, so do incels know this though, and feel that maybe they can wait till then and see if things change, rather than choose to be so angry, just when you are starting out, since a lot of these angry incels seem to be in their early 20s?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMV3R8-EsSs&t=332s

Are you still falling for everything you see on YouTube?

MGTOW is the way to go if you're an incel. I've tried an autism dating site and autistic girls are just damn hard to find in online dating. You're more likely to run into them in-person if you go out plenty, whether it's for job, school, or leisure.

Because of this I've decided on accepting that I may be alone for my life but keeping hopeful that I will find a girl who is like me. NT girls just seem, in general, very difficult to attract and maintain. It's easy to become an incel, however, it's healthier to move into MGTOW for the long term, even if it means believing that you may be alone for the rest of your life.

i have found there are far worse things than being alone for one's lifetime. being in a horrible relationship is one such thing. it seems unavoidable at this point for me.

MGTOW are just the incels who can afford hookers or have the social skills to be fuckboys until their 30s and then they get to be incels again once they realize women have outgrown them.

If a man chooses to go his own way, he's no longer involuntarily celibate. From what I gather, a lot of MGTOW men were successful with women at one point. Something like an affair or a bitter divorce from the wife changes their perception of "happily ever after," and they claim they don't want to make the same mistake next time, if there even is a next time.

You've posted this video before. That's not what those guys are saying at all. Not even remotely. They don't say "a lot of women in their 20s prefer men in their 30s." They say young women can now go find men with lots of money and luxurious lifestyles anywhere in the country. Often, these men are older, but in the video you keep posting, they use terms like "higher-status men" such as celebrities. (I learned a new term, "blue checks," which mean verified accounts of rich and famous people, not catfish).

So, you're guys here are arguing that women no longer have to settle for men in their local area, but can find well-to-do men anywhere.

They also suggest that since men prefer younger women, these 20-something regular women can go out and find well-off older men, leaving 20-something men in the dust. But it doesn't mean they're dating average 30-something men in their area either.

i am technically MGTOW but also still "incel" because i am not attractive to anybody that i can tell. i have made other arrangements so that the sting is gone from it.

Plenty of women in their 20s…..dig men in their 20s.

Plenty of women in their 20s…..dig older men.

Plenty of women in their 20s……dig men in general.

^^^as long as they pass social muster.

And looks. Yes, they are a factor. And more specific in the eyes of women then we'd imagine: looking at two men who we see as average, women may see one as passable, one as ugly.

If you look at Clay Marzo, a professional surfer with Asperger's, he's most certainly in that well-above-average looks range and he's an athlete. He'll say things openly that even most of us here know don't go over well with NTs. But his looks allow him to "pass social muster." If he were average-to-ugly with the same disposition, and the same behavior, he'd be out in the cold.

he's athletic and easy on the eyes for sure. but i suspect he is somebody i'd give a wide berth.

I’m about average-looking with social skills deficiencies….but I’ve sometimes “passed muster.”

I think you missed my point. Doesn't matter how we feel about his personality. His looks and athletic ability most certainly compensate for his socially off-putting weirdness when it comes to dating women. In fact, because of his looks, he can probably be even more bold in what he says and does because he's not hassled for it the way an average or ugly man would be. How many of us Aspies have had to learn what to say/not to say, and still slip-up from time-to-time with NTs? Not just with dating women, but interacting with NTs as a whole.


I can't tell if you're average or ugly. It's not up to me to decide. From what you've shared, I'd reckon that women, on the whole, see you as average, in the passable camp. But don't assume another man who you think looks average (or even better looking than you) has the same appeal to women as a whole. He may be seen as uglier-than-average in their eyes.

One never really knows…..but that doesn’t matter.

I’ve had to develop compensatory strategies when I was roundly rejected.

Right. I've always said with two average-looking men, one will be more appealing if he works on himself, the other may slip away and become off-putting. Lookswise, they're still passable.

I think some men do fall below that threshold, where the compensatory strategies get harder and harder, if not impossible. What works for an average-looking man in compensating won't automatically work for an uglier man. You need a minimum of passable looks to even get in the door in the first place.