Romantic loneliness in men
It's really sweet of Amity to ask this question.
I feel that Amity is quite sincere in this. I hope guys will chime in.
When I was in my 20's, I was quite lonely. I had many short-term relationships which didn't work out. I'm fortunate that nothing really serious happened to me. I was lucky that I was naïve---but there was a side of me which was wary, too. I would have went with any woman in those days. I'm fortunate that, at least, I had some street smarts.
I felt lonely in an aching sense. I even almost went to a prostitute. This was around 1986. I actually took a prostitute to the movies--but I thought of her as a friend. We came back to her shack (yes, it was a shack in the middle of Brighton Beach, Brooklyn). We fooled around a little bit. But I decided not to go further. We remained friends for maybe a year afterwards. She wasn't a bad sort, really.
It is a genuine question, I think sometimes that men are dehumanised by particular labels.
A guy I work with was flirting with me for a while, it was a bit awkward, but I came to the conclusion that he is simply a man experiencing loneliness, and there is nothing sinister about him, my initial reaction was to imagine the worst though.
Seven days a week, 365 days a year, for richer, for poorer, in sickness and in health.
Since I see a lot of sickness, are you really sure you would stick it out in the sickness department?
Example: We had a patient die last night (expected with extremely bad breast cancer) and even though the death was expected - the patient died alone. The family got a call from the nurse that the funeral home would be picking up the patient. I'd rather be alone than have family like that. Nothing surprises me anymore. The families are sure to come around for the money though. SOB's.
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I'm happiness challenged.
Your neurodiverse (Aspie) score: 83 of 200
Your neurotypical (non-autistic) score: 153 of 200 You are very likely neurotypical
Darn, I flunked.
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Seven days a week, 365 days a year, for richer, for poorer, in sickness and in health.
Since I see a lot of sickness, are you really sure you would stick it out in the sickness department?
I don't think anyone can know how they will cope with major life events until they get to that point in time.
I'm curious, why did you post that response, would you have questioned the same sentiment from a female user? Is your response a reflection of your scepticism about life long relationships even within family units?
Many of us who would die old and unmarried are likely to end up like him.
The patient was a woman and she was married and it was her kids that took the call about the funeral home. My point is that it's alot easier to say those words "in sickness", but I've seen only a handful of people in my 14 yrs of nursing actually stand behind it. It is very depressing how people act when they know there's a possible payout. One guy even kept his wife "going" just so he could keep receiving government money - she lived 2 yrs, coded 3 times, was on dialysis, had a feeding tube and a rectal tube, she had a tracheostomy, a Foley catheter, a stage 4 wound on her coccyx, her limbs were completely contracted and looked mummified, and she was unable to speak - trapped in her own body. She could have been a Do Not Resuscitate, but he needed the money and even said if she died he would sue. From what I heard, on the third code they didn't run the code like they were supposed to and they let her die. He couldn't sue because the woman was almost a corpse as it was and you can't keep bringing back someone that bad off. On her birthday, he sat in the room and ate cake in front of her. After some of the crap I've seen, there's reasons why marriage doesn't look like such a hot idea.

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Me grumpy?
I'm happiness challenged.
Your neurodiverse (Aspie) score: 83 of 200
Your neurotypical (non-autistic) score: 153 of 200 You are very likely neurotypical
Darn, I flunked.
Seven days a week, 365 days a year, for richer, for poorer, in sickness and in health.
Since I see a lot of sickness, are you really sure you would stick it out in the sickness department?
I don't think anyone can know how they will cope with major life events until they get to that point in time.
I'm curious, why did you post that response, would you have questioned the same sentiment from a female user? Is your response a reflection of your scepticism about life long relationships even within family units?
I would question both, it just happened to be a guy who said it. With all the divorces, people take their marriage vows very lightly these days. Most don't even get to the "sickness" part to see how they would handle it. What happened with that patient just makes me think a lot about why people act like they do. And everytime I see something like that, my trust with people goes down even more.
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Me grumpy?
I'm happiness challenged.
Your neurodiverse (Aspie) score: 83 of 200
Your neurotypical (non-autistic) score: 153 of 200 You are very likely neurotypical
Darn, I flunked.
I'm a 22 year old guy who's pretty sure he has Aspergers, but is DEFINITELY sure that he has a very difficult time "connecting" to people. It's been a serious issue my whole life, & has resulted in me developing some pretty severe emotional issues. Severe depression, extreme thought processes, mood instabilities, "universal trust issues"; there's a lot, & it's not fun. However, these issues have also turned me into an extremely empathetic & caring person (which might constitute me not actually having aspergers, although besides that I strongly have every other common symptom); one who loves very deeply & strongly, & so I guess my answer to your question would be this:
More than anything in the entire world, I would love to meet a girl who simply understood many of the things that I experience. It's sheer fantasy, but I absolutely revel at the idea of there existing a girl who truly knows a reasonable amount of the pain that I know; & one who chose to deal with it in a way that made their heart as big as I feel that mine is. That's the most important thing; I want to be with someone who values people in the way that I do, who both knows how to love deeply & who appreciates being loved deeply.
However, here are some other traits I would like & appreciate to be present in a SO (if possible):
- a good grasp on logic, & an ability to accurately & comfortably/openly express their emotions in a way that isn't TOO externally destructive
- a healthy balance between wanting to give attention/affection & being able to accept that which is given to them; I'm all about give & take, & being strong but fluid in those regards
- someone who has passionate hobbies/interests of their own to keep them busy, so that even if we don't share a ton of them (my interests & hobbies are all very dude-y, the biggest one being complicated metal music, so I don't really expect to meet a girl who's into it or anything else I'm into) we can enjoy each other's company while not having to do anything "together". The way I picture it is where I'm sitting there playing guitar, & she's in the same room as me; doing her writing or painting, something like that. We could very well not talk for hours, but rest assured that wehen we do it would be the best.
& I guess that's all for now.
Many of us who would die old and unmarried are likely to end up like him.
The patient was a woman and she was married and it was her kids that took the call about the funeral home. My point is that it's alot easier to say those words "in sickness", but I've seen only a handful of people in my 14 yrs of nursing actually stand behind it. It is very depressing how people act when they know there's a possible payout. One guy even kept his wife "going" just so he could keep receiving government money - she lived 2 yrs, coded 3 times, was on dialysis, had a feeding tube and a rectal tube, she had a tracheostomy, a Foley catheter, a stage 4 wound on her coccyx, her limbs were completely contracted and looked mummified, and she was unable to speak - trapped in her own body. She could have been a Do Not Resuscitate, but he needed the money and even said if she died he would sue. From what I heard, on the third code they didn't run the code like they were supposed to and they let her die. He couldn't sue because the woman was almost a corpse as it was and you can't keep bringing back someone that bad off. On her birthday, he sat in the room and ate cake in front of her. After some of the crap I've seen, there's reasons why marriage doesn't look like such a hot idea.

And having seen how doctors and nurses abuse and demean their patients, I would certainly agree that the last place anyone should have to die is in a hospital.
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I at best have very superficial connections with other people.
In relationships I have been let down, and let down girls.
I don't know if I even want a girlfriend any more or to make a physical or even emotional bond.
I do really like the idea of a girl secretly crushing on me, and vice versa, and also the idea of this unravelling into a more private and fulfilling connection. Though this is just an idea..and while it's fun to daydream between all the work and social time, the reality of such a thing is probably far less exciting.
I'm a very private, guarded person. What more can I say.
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More than anything in the entire world, I would love to meet a girl who simply understood many of the things that I experience. It's sheer fantasy, but I absolutely revel at the idea of there existing a girl who truly knows a reasonable amount of the pain that I know; & one who chose to deal with it in a way that made their heart as big as I feel that mine is. That's the most important thing; I want to be with someone who values people in the way that I do, who both knows how to love deeply & who appreciates being loved deeply.
However, here are some other traits I would like & appreciate to be present in a SO (if possible):
- a good grasp on logic, & an ability to accurately & comfortably/openly express their emotions in a way that isn't TOO externally destructive
- a healthy balance between wanting to give attention/affection & being able to accept that which is given to them; I'm all about give & take, & being strong but fluid in those regards
- someone who has passionate hobbies/interests of their own to keep them busy, so that even if we don't share a ton of them (my interests & hobbies are all very dude-y, the biggest one being complicated metal music, so I don't really expect to meet a girl who's into it or anything else I'm into) we can enjoy each other's company while not having to do anything "together". The way I picture it is where I'm sitting there playing guitar, & she's in the same room as me; doing her writing or painting, something like that. We could very well not talk for hours, but rest assured that wehen we do it would be the best.
& I guess that's all for now.
This is EXACTLY how I feel. Someone who understands me and is somewhat like me, but is also their own person with their own interests and hobbies. Met a girl that seemed like this at work. She was all quircky, bubbly, and friendly to everyone so I brought up the courage to ask her out on valentine's day (the first time I asked a girl out) and she said yes. Even though she insisted that we were only friends, I found out that we were somewhat similar and that she had a teenage brother with Aspergers so she already knew what it was like to be with someone like that. I had an awesome time talking to her on our "date" and found out that what I really want in a women is someone I can be open with who has interesting things to say and talk about. Broke my heart when I found out she had a boyfriend already. I knew that she never considerred us as any ore then friends, but I still almost cried when I found out that she was with someone else and now I feel to awkward to ask her out again since I will still think of it as a romantic outing.
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More than anything in the entire world, I would love to meet a girl who simply understood many of the things that I experience. It's sheer fantasy, but I absolutely revel at the idea of there existing a girl who truly knows a reasonable amount of the pain that I know; & one who chose to deal with it in a way that made their heart as big as I feel that mine is. That's the most important thing; I want to be with someone who values people in the way that I do, who both knows how to love deeply & who appreciates being loved deeply.
However, here are some other traits I would like & appreciate to be present in a SO (if possible):
- a good grasp on logic, & an ability to accurately & comfortably/openly express their emotions in a way that isn't TOO externally destructive
- a healthy balance between wanting to give attention/affection & being able to accept that which is given to them; I'm all about give & take, & being strong but fluid in those regards
- someone who has passionate hobbies/interests of their own to keep them busy, so that even if we don't share a ton of them (my interests & hobbies are all very dude-y, the biggest one being complicated metal music, so I don't really expect to meet a girl who's into it or anything else I'm into) we can enjoy each other's company while not having to do anything "together". The way I picture it is where I'm sitting there playing guitar, & she's in the same room as me; doing her writing or painting, something like that. We could very well not talk for hours, but rest assured that wehen we do it would be the best.
& I guess that's all for now.
This is EXACTLY how I feel. Someone who understands me and is somewhat like me, but is also their own person with their own interests and hobbies. Met a girl that seemed like this at work. She was all quircky, bubbly, and friendly to everyone so I brought up the courage to ask her out on valentine's day (the first time I asked a girl out) and she said yes. Even though she insisted that we were only friends, I found out that we were somewhat similar and that she had a teenage brother with Aspergers so she already knew what it was like to be with someone like that. I had an awesome time talking to her on our "date" and found out that what I really want in a women is someone I can be open with who has interesting things to say and talk about. Broke my heart when I found out she had a boyfriend already. I knew that she never considerred us as any ore then friends, but I still almost cried when I found out that she was with someone else and now I feel to awkward to ask her out again since I will still think of it as a romantic outing.
Even if you can't be with her romantically/sexually because she is already in a romantic relationship, she sounds like someone who might make a good friend. Why not hang out with her in that capacity, if she is fun to talk to and be around? Women can make good friends, and who knows--maybe she has some single friends with similar personalities that she could set you up with if you give her time to get to know you better. If she likes spending time with you and thinks you're a nice guy, she will be more likely to consider suggesting you as dating potential to a friend.
I find in life it's very rare to encounter accepting people that make you feel comfortable enough to be yourself, and when you find them you should hang on to them as those kinds of friendships are very valuable and rewarding because of their rarity.
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(Note to Moderators: my warning number is wrong on my profile but apparently can't be fixed so I will note here that it is actually 2, not 3--the warning issued to me on Aug 20 2016 was a mistake but I've been told it can't be removed.)
When I was younger, I had a real hard time connecting with the opposite sex, I still do. I have had some success in the love department and have had long term relationships in the past and is currently married.
I still get bouts of loneliness and ennui, which may come from depression more than anything else.
The biggest problem that I see in myself is often I can be very selfish. I get upset when people treat poorly, especially women, but am not too keen on looking on how I treat people in a similar manner or worst. It took a lot to work on myself and think of others and even when I do not want to. This helped ALOT with my marriage and it was very tough especially when my default was to basically do what I want to do when I want to do it.
Death is a hard thing for people to deal with, and people deal with it differently. As a person who went to a few funerals for children it really sucks having to deal with the emotion of that and a lot of people simply don't, they ignore it like it did not happen. I do not know how I would handle the death of my wife, the one who is keeping me relatively stable, or my kids.
For the guy with the friend who found out that she had a boyfriend. I hear you, that sucks, I have had similar situations only that the girls I went out with had no interest in me, one time I took this girl out to a concert and got a another guys phone number and proceeded to tell me about her feelings for him.
I would encourage you to continue talking to her, as a friend, with the understanding that it will not end up as anything more. You may build your confidence and she might give you pointers how to improve your game.