More Thought on Incels.

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But wouldn't it benefit them to talk about it more? For example, a lot of guys would not admit to their friends that they saw a prostitute, because women never go for them. But if guys would admit that openly just in casual conversation like say:

GUY 1: What did you do last weekend?

GUY 2: I hooked up.

FRIEND GIRL IN GROUP: Oh how did you meet her?

GUY 2: She was a prostitute.

Now this will cause Guy 1 and and the friend girl, and any one else in the group to ask why he would see a prostitute, and he could just explain why in a more social casual way, and if this type of talk become normal among incel men, then the problem would be heard more, and therefore addressed more perhaps?

a lot of them would not be caught dead in that scenario, paying for it is in their view more ignominious than being totally and categorically rejected.

But is this part of the problem as to why they are incel though, because women are attracted to confident secure men, but if a man cannot be confident and secure about seeing prostitutes to start off with, then they are not going to come across as confident and secure then to women.

could be, could be.

It's somewhat socially acceptable to tell men that you saw a prostie/escort, provided that you trust them not to tell other people. But it's never socially acceptable to tell women that you saw a prostie/escort. Because women simply don't understand what it's like to be involuntarily celibate, and they never will, because women can get sex as easily as they can get a free drink. Men, on the other hand, even Chads, can at least vaguely conceptualize being involuntarily celibate. The only women who understand involuntary celibacy are prosties/escorts themselves, and few men come across them in the first place.

I have close friends who know I have sex with escorts, and they praise me when I share stories of my shenanigans and send them links to those escorts' websites. They have significant others, and they still like my stories. But their significant others are none the wiser. One time, when a friend's fiancee (now wife) saw me smiling too much when I had sex with an escort and hung out with them two later, I lied and said I made out (UK: snogged) with a woman in a club. She believed it; my friend knew the real dark truth.

Oh okay I see. Would it help women to understand the issue more, if incel men would openly admit they are virgins in social conversation and talk about why then?

in my experience that is the best and quickest way to turn people off.

No, friends aren't free therapists.

You seem to have managed to ignore the consistent advice to not discuss things like virginity with NT girls. Unless the girl is ) single and ii) christian and iii) this is important to her. But as with Diogenes searching with his lantern you won't find many of those left these days.

It may be more the case of them not being able to afford them.

Several guys have responded to this. Why not ask a woman herself how she'd feel? But ask one who you'll know will tell it to you straight, and not virtue signal. The answer may surprise you.

Most of your questions are why don't incels do X? You should ask the other half of the sex/dating equation why don't you do Y?

it is the rare woman who will tell you to your face, in a reasonably gentle but honest manner, what is wrong with you. most people just wanna avoid that scene.

It's not appropriate to ask women some things

Escorts cost $300 to $500 an hour, depending on where you live and what she charges. Legal brothels in Nevada are about $600 per visit. And Las Vegas porn stars charge $2000+ per hour---that's certainly unaffordable for most men. So unless you work a minimum-wage job and/or live paycheck to paycheck, you can afford to spend $400 once every few months. Even if you're unemployed, you can afford to spend it just one time, with all the money Biden has been throwing at people.

It's not so much about not being able to afford them, as about not being able to find them. If you want a good escort---who doesn't just mechanically go through the motions, isn't actually a guy looking to rob you, or isn't actually a cop---you can't just answer a random internet ad. You gotta have connections. And that's a weak spot for many Incels (uppercase). Their resourcefulness is weak, so they get angry instead of getting creative, like I did when I wanted to lose my virginity.

There are websites that make such connections happen. I've been a part of my city's escort community since 2005. It took me years to get established, but I made it happen. Today, escorts know my name and trust me to be legit. Long-timers still poke fun at my skittishness and nervousness back when I first started out. And the grapevine/network factor is incredibly strong. As for Covid, after a few months, it didn't stop escorts and men from meeting. Some escorts do require vaccines nowadays, though.

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Prostitution is legal in Australia.
Lucky Aussie incels.

A lot of incels do wind up having sex with prostitutes but still consider themselves incels, even though they've already had sex and are technically not incels anymore.

And I think the reason for that is because incels arne't just seeking sex; they're seeking love and validation that someone is attracted to them. Prostitutes provide neither of that.

Don't get me wrong, seeing a sex worker might be beneficial for some guys. If you're a virgin, it gives you practice with someone who's not going to judge you (at least not openly) for being inexperienced, so when you finally have sex with a real woman, you'll at least have a better idea of what the heck to do. But it won't solve all your problems hence the reason why incels still consider themselves incels.

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