More Thought on Incels.

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They're probably more reliable than lonely guys who's main insights on women come from Hollywood and pick-up artists.

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Well aside from looks perhaps being the problem with incel men, when it comes to these incel men who make videos and show their pictures online when they talk about their problems, do you think that clothing style and hair style is part of the problem too though. I see some of them online, and I think... well I feel bad for your problem, but... you don't go out trying to get laid with that type of clothes and hair style, do you? Unless they don't and that is not part of the problem?

it's just that ironpony often tells us the stuff his lady friends have told him and takes it at face value as undisputed truth. No reason to believe he can't ask them stuff equally the same way he would a man. No need to believe equality is a myth. Oh, okay, yeah, in the interest of equality, why can't he ask his lady friends the same questions he asks random men on the Internet?.

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It's somewhat socially acceptable to tell men that you saw a prostie/escort, provided that you trust them not to tell other people. But it's never socially acceptable to tell women that you saw a prostie/escort. Because women simply don't understand what it's like to be involuntarily celibate, and they never will, because women can get sex as easily as they can get a free drink. Men, on the other hand, even Chads, can at least vaguely conceptualize being involuntarily celibate. The only women who understand involuntary celibacy are prosties/escorts themselves, and few men come across them in the first place.

I have close friends who know I have sex with escorts, and they praise me when I share stories of my shenanigans and send them links to those escorts' websites. They have significant others, and they still like my stories. But their significant others are none the wiser. One time, when a friend's fiancee (now wife) saw me smiling too much when I had sex with an escort and hung out with them two later, I lied and said I made out (UK: snogged) with a woman in a club. She believed it; my friend knew the real dark truth.

Less of the offensive "women are predictable and programmable sexbots" -style generalities, please - it's looking more and more like contempt, which will get the thread locked if it continues.

A lot of the earlier posts seem to provide some useful insight, while the last 10 pages or so seem to have devolved into one or two people posting false generalities and the rest of us trying to get them to be more reasonable.

Since I started this thread, I prefer that it NOT be locked and left to sink to the bottom; but if that is what it takes to stop incel ideology from poisoning the minds of the membership, then so be it.

A lot of the earlier posts seem to provide some useful insight, while the last 10 pages or so seem to have devolved into one or two people posting false generalities and the rest of us trying to get them to be more reasonable.

Since I started this thread, I prefer that it NOT be locked and left to sink to the bottom; but if that is what it takes to stop incel ideology from poisoning the minds of the membership, then so be it.

You started this because you wanted to share your "thoughts on incels".

My thoughts are that if some incel came within 100 feet of my wife or property they would discover what a Mossberg 500 can do to a human face.

"i cain't git a date 'cause i am to ugly and wimminz iz justa buncha stukkup meenees"[/i] discussion found in Love & Dating; which, unfortunately, is exactly what this thread is turning into, which is also why I will not object to CF locking this thread if he thinks it is necessary.

Also, in a more general sense, if people are interested in a topic, or a thread is active, why would you simply close it?

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What always bothered me about demonizing any group of people that we ourselves can't relate to is that Aspies (as a group) have experienced this as well: if you've met one Aspie, you've met one Aspie. But apparently, everyone who is involuntarily celibate is EVIL and VIOLENT. I don't think this is the case.

There are men and women of all ages who are involuntarily celibate for various reasons. Are we to say they're all evil/violent people?


What does this even mean? If someone was threatening your wife, whether or not they're an incel is somewhat irrelevant. But to attack someone simply for being involuntarily celibate makes you seem irrationally violent. Unless you're saying you'd shoot the kindly old man or the disabled woman who are involuntarily celibate simply for being involuntarily celibate.

"Incels are all violent, let's shoot 'em" brings back thoughts of "Aspies are all crazy, violent psychos! If an Aspies comes within 100 feet of me, I have every right to kill them, simply for being Aspie." Who's the irrationally violent one?

Also, in a more general sense, if people are interested in a topic, or a thread is active, why would you simply close it? We have active threads from over 10 years ago, and they're still as popular now as when they started. Time moves on, but interests remain.

And if a topic disinterests you, why not simply bow-out? The problem with this thread isn't the people debating and disagreeing with one another. The problem, in my opinion, seems to be twofold: demonizing a large group of people and painting them all with a large brush (in this case incels). Two, the desire of members on the sidelines to control and corral others who are interested in a topic.

Unless there's some policy that a thread can only be X amount of pages and Y amount of years old, which doesn't appear to be the case.


Evidence? Haven't seen anyone in the most recent pages say, "Whoa is me, I can't get a date!"

One user has discussed his personal history, another asks "why don't incels try XYZ," another gives some anecdotes. There's some discussion about ToM and perceptions of attractiveness, and some disagreement, I've been involved in those. But I'm not seeing anyone saying "Whoa is me, I can't get a date, all women suck."

I think the warning was toward a user who, though seemingly well-intentioned, made a generalized comment about (his perception) of the collective behavior of women and what he wished he'd known when he was younger.

But there's this sense of "I am the creator of this thread. I invited people to discuss their thoughts. People aren't responding exactly the way I wished they would, or sharing the thoughts I think they should have, so the thread must be closed!" That kind of bothers me in principal. Not specifically in regards to this topic, but any topic.

And this is not meant to be an attack on anyone, rather an observation.