The Problem with Western Men is....

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I gotta admit, I didn't read all these posts. So, I'd say European men annoy me. Australian men are okay. Arabian men are just wrong. Chinese men don't challenge me. My alien lover is the best. I like the way American men sit with their legs wide open...3frbfgt v gfgfbnv

It's all just silliness I tell ya'.

Dr Alexandra Alvergne, of the University of Sheffield, says the Pill could also be altering the way women pick their mates and could have long-term implications for society.

'There are many obvious benefits of the Pill for women, but there is also the possibility that the Pill has psychological side-effects that we are only just discovering,' she said. 'We need further studies to find out what these are.'

The links between the Pill and sexual preferences are highlighted in a paper in the journal Trends in Ecology and Evolution.

Scientists have long known that a woman's taste in men changes over her menstrual cycle.

During the few days each month when women are fertile - around the time of ovulation - they tend to prefer masculine features and men who are more assertive.

On these fertile days, women are also more attracted to men who are 'genetically dissimilar', Dr Alvergne said. Picking a partner whose genetic make-up is unlike their own increases the chances of having a healthy child.

On days when women are not fertile, their tastes swing towards more feminine, boyish faces and more caring personalities, researchers have shown.

However, if women are taking the Pill they no longer have fertile days.

That means they no longer experience the hormonal changes that make them more attracted to masculine men and those with dissimilar genetic make-up.

Although the effect is subtle, Dr Alvergne said it could alter women's view of male attractiveness. 'It is a possibility - but there is no evidence of this yet,' she said. 'We need a lot more research in this area.' In her paper, Dr Alvergne reviewed 7 studies showing how the Pill can change women's behaviour.

She also found evidence from 3 studies that the Pill can affect the way women are looked at by men.

Past studies have shown that men find women more attractive around the time of ovulation, possibly because women have evolved instinctive ways, by their natural scent or their behaviour, of alerting men that they are fertile. One study showed that lap dancers get bigger tips at the time of the month when they are most fertile.

Dr Alvergne said the use of the Pill could influence a woman's ability to attract a mate by reducing her attractiveness to men.

Her co-author at Sheffield, Dr Virpi Lumma, said: 'The ultimate outstanding evolutionary question concerns whether the use of oral contraceptives when making mating decisions can have long-term consequences on the ability of couples to reproduce.' An increasing number of studies suggest that the Pill is likely to have an impact on human mating decisions and subsequent reproduction.

'If this is the case, Pill use will have implications for both current and future generations, and we hope that our review will stimulate further research on this question,' said Dr Lumma.


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What's wrong with "lecherous"?

Looks like I need to watch my 'false friends' in English as much as any other language (did a definition check and I see what your saying). I meant that I wouldn't want someone in my life who was so self-centered that they drained every last bit of my energy. As for actual 'lechery', I would probably pass on that as well if it prevented them if it came at the cost of deeper emotional development or at the cost of our ability to connect, though I guess its true that I haven't dated enough nymphos to put that on my radar as a major concern.

I have generally found lechery to be one of my fondest pleasures.

my beef with women in general is they place way too much importance on the size of the d!ck and not enough on the person the d!ck is attached to. what i am saying is - d!ck size does NOT matter - the person who it is attached to matters more than the size of the d!ck.

i personally would NOT like to be with a with a woman who ''loves'' me just for my d!ck alone - i would like her to love ALL of me - ALL OF ME

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pandabear wrote:
No, it is related to Love and Dating. If there is something about Western Men, in general, that is bothersome to others (in the Love and Dating Department), then it would be worthwhile bringing the thoughts to liight, even if the perceptions are over-generalizations. At least make us aware of some of the perceptions, even if they are either completely false, or false for 10% of Western men.

I gather that, from some perspectives, Western men just aren't sufficiently "manly", either because they are no long watching John Wayne movies, or because they've been emasculated by modern expectations, or by modern Western women.

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you are partly right - i have heard of situations of when western women mock, tease, and make fun of men just because the size of their d!ck does not measure up their likings. that is just plain mean and cruel and is the same thing as cutting the mans balls off. i give part of the blame to the media and pop culture that blasts through ''bigger is better'' and if that does not demoralize and humiliate men, and cause problems with their self confidence/self esteem, i do not know what does. and i give part of the blame to women themselves, because IF they were in a bad relationship with a male with a too big(or too small d!ck - which ever the case may be) and they carry it on the next boyfriend and then take it out on him if she does not get off, and for listening to their girlfriends when they say ''size matters'' which can screw up a good thing if she listens to her girlfriends. the new man in her life did not do a thing to deserve the abuse. sex + lovemaking should be about the mutual sharing of love and emotions - and not if he has a big d!ck or not - OR - if she shaves down there or not. that is just superficial and on the surface and the person inside is more important than the surface details.

please understand - i am NOT trying to offend people - im just doing a very brutal from of total truth with all of you - and it is from the way my eyes see it. so if i offended you - im so very sorry.


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CerebralDreamer wrote:
Electricbassguy wrote:
Western men (not that I date any or ever will...)

The ones I see on sites like this and "love shyness" blame women for their problems, while they (Despite being unattractive and boring) will only date a very attractive woman.

BINGO! That's the single biggest problem with frustrated romantics in this country, male or female. Nobody will find love until they learn to be attracted to the qualities of love. Basically, instead of hoping for that horny rich supermodel with 500 friends, you should try going for a good person who has solid relationship qualities.

I will say that far too many men have something to prove in this country. We're over-sexed, under-emotional, over-aggressive, and anti-intellectual because of this 'have something to prove' culture. It's nonsense, and the sooner people get rid of it, the sooner they'll realize it's actually possible to be happy.

Attitude is definitely a big part, even on this site. Women will know if you're 'just settling' for them, and will run faster than a Leopard on crack if you have that type of attitude. Women who previously wanted in your pants will run faster than a Leopard on crack if you have that type of attitude.


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but as for me, i am un-emotional(because i have not met a woman *yet* that deserves to let my emotions out), i am sex starved(see above reason), i am not aggressive (im more the cuddling type), and i am so very intelligent(i just have trouble saying what my mind is thinking sometimes when it comes to putting words together so they make sense).

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Merle wrote:
pandabear wrote:
I thought that, in the spirit of fair play, we should give everyone a chance to have a go at Western men.



They forgot how to be "men". How to stand for a set of principles, be willing to speak their mind and understand the words of honor and duty.

Too many times people have forgotten what it took to get to where they're at. The sacrifices for freedom, the dedication of their forebearers and the understanding of history.

Fear of not being PC enough. Fear of not being what society wants. Fear of saying and then thinking the wrong thing.

Western society is now mostly populated by boys. This leaves little exposure to true role models.

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i personally am not PC at all because i see no sense in it, and it is so very illogical.

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techstepgenr8tion wrote:
Larnad, definitely don't leave though. I think when people get scared off by this kind of stuff it keeps the quality of content from getting better.

As for deleting threads like this - we have to be careful how many rules we lay down in terms of what's ok to say, what isn't, too much further and we're in a position where more of our deletions are technical rather than content based. It would be best if we were able to improve the conversational bottom line to where no rules are needed as such.

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or better yet - just get rid of them entirely - then we will have TRUE freedom of speach, w/o any need to watch the tounge at all. for lands sakes - we are ALL aspies and auties - and if we do what i am suggesting - then we can do absolute total truth.

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techstepgenr8tion wrote:
pandabear wrote:

I gather that, from some perspectives, Western men just aren't sufficiently "manly", either because they are no long watching John Wayne movies, or because they've been emasculated by modern expectations, or by modern Western women.



We recently, in the last perhaps 150 years, came off of the notion that the world was 6,000 years old. We came up with evolution as an answer to our origins but, for whatever reason, have refused to accept its consequences or what it means about who and what we are today - whether we like it or not. What I've quoted above - I think its correct to the extent that no effective alternative has been given. For example, women wanted equality, have wanted and rightfully should have wanted it back since they lost it in Roman times - however, for some odd reason and perhaps fear of being retaken as inferiors, there was a need among at least some 'progressive' feminists to sanitize the existence of inherent gender differences (truthfully - any guy who's brain hasn't been bleached with his hair knows that men and women are fundamentally different in certain ways, we love you just the way you are - no desire to go back to the dark ages or re-institute star chamber court if we find out that you're not perfect, we sure as heck know we aren't).

Women need certain things in place, due to over 100,000 years of programing, to find a man attractive, or to even respect him - but its denied to a certain extent, as in yes - there are unhealthy ways for guys to express these traits but there have to be means that work in today's society. The trick is understanding our identity as a race (human) is getting our heads around what evolution actually means in terms of what we can and can't be in an immediate or real sense as well as understanding how the ill effects of our more incorrigible wiring schemes can be compensated in the world and our culture as it exists today. That also takes perhaps the more adamant 'progressives' in Western (ie. self-labeled European diaspora) culture, and particularly progressive women (IMO not the norm but the vocal minority who sets the agenda by the silence of the majority), to be able to answer this question - do they want to be 'better' than men or, do they want to be in happy/functioning relationships; I could be wrong but I don't think the desire to be better is much more than a fear of being swallowed back down by history.

We have to work together on this though, its a tough and rather costly battle to win just by trial and error (also yes, sorry I've edited the heck out this post - its a pretty complex thought though and I wanted to make sure I got it out right)

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what about the 2 sexes just treating each other like human beings and equals with no one being better than the other.

im trying my best to combine posts - so please bear with me. ok?