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14 Jun 2011, 10:47 am

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the rate of unreported rapes is 75 to 95%.


Yes, and the number of invisible sheep brains I have in my hand is 32.

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Could you stop belittling the trauma of those that were raped please?

+1

I respect your right to say what's on your mind, here. But, I think you've made your point. In fact, you've more than made it. You're starting to dig yourself into a hole. And the common wisdom is that, when you start doing that, it's time to stop digging.


How am I digging myself into a hole? This is the internet. What are you going to do - send a hired thug over to my house to beat me up? :P


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14 Jun 2011, 10:52 am

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Seriously, I want to ask you a simple yes-or-no question: Do you or do you not believe all men should be treated as rapists? Do you or do you not agree with the blatant sexism of the OP?

pardon?


Well, someone made a simple statement objecting to the belief that men should be treated like rapists. You responded by attempting to justify that attitude.

I'm going to ask you again, because you're dodging my question: Do you or do you not believe men should be treated as rapists? Do you or do you not agree with the sexist, overgeneralizing attitudes expressed in the OP?

this would be an example of a loaded queston, along the lines of, "when did you stop beating your wife?" and i do not answer questions like that. ask a valid question with an open mind, and i shall provide an answer.


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14 Jun 2011, 10:53 am

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How am I digging myself into a hole? This is the internet. What are you going to do - send a hired thug over to my house to beat me up? :P

OMG, I just noticed your "Location" ... LOL!


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14 Jun 2011, 10:53 am

LordoftheMonkeys wrote:
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Could you stop belittling the trauma of those that were raped please?

+1

I respect your right to say what's on your mind, here. But, I think you've made your point. In fact, you've more than made it. You're starting to dig yourself into a hole. And the common wisdom is that, when you start doing that, it's time to stop digging.


How am I digging myself into a hole? This is the internet. What are you going to do - send a hired thug over to my house to beat me up? :P


Don't be a smartass. You're pretty much saying that the women that are raped are just crying for attention, which is very offensive to most people. :/



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14 Jun 2011, 10:54 am

How is it a loaded question? I didn't make any accusations, except when I said that the OP is sexist. Do you think a thread basically asking "How can men be so stupid?" isn't sexist while a thread asking "How can women be so stupid?" is?


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14 Jun 2011, 11:03 am

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How is it a loaded question? I didn't make any accusations, except when I said that the OP is sexist. Do you think a thread basically asking "How can men be so stupid?" isn't sexist while a thread asking "How can women be so stupid?" is?

if you do not know what a loaded question is, google has some great examples. you were attempting to force me to either agree with your (flawed, biased) question or appear to be an ass. i don't play that game.


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14 Jun 2011, 11:08 am

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How am I digging myself into a hole?

"The [gentleman] doth protest too much, methinks."


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14 Jun 2011, 12:33 pm

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[Well, someone made a simple statement objecting to the belief that men should be treated like rapists. You responded by attempting to justify that attitude.


In certain situations, that attitude is definately justified. There are situations where treating any man you meet in that situation as a potential rapist is the only prudent thing to do. One thing for men to do to be more succesful with women is to make sure they never approach a woman in one of those situations:

when she is alone, in a place with few people around, in a place where there is no particular reason for him to approach her, when she has never seen him before

That's why all the advice about being introduced by a friend, joining clubs, taking classes and talking to classmates- the idea is to avoid situations where women are pretty much obligated for their own safety to treat an approaching stranger as a potential predator.

Did you ever get the Stranger Danger lecture when you were a kid? The Stranger Danger lecture is (these days) given to girls and boys both because both are susceptible to predators. That lecture basically tells kids the situations in which they should consider men in general to be potential rapists. As boys grow to men, they shuck off the Stranger Danger wariness (if it was succesfully instilled) because as adults, they really aren't the targets of this sort of predation anymore. But women don't because women stay in the predator victim demographic. It's just different specific men who want to attack a grown woman vs. those who want to attack a 10 year old boy.

Think back to those long ago Stranger Danger lectures. I bet you weren't told that it was ok to get in the car of or walk off with a man who seemed nice. In fact, you were probably specifically warned to be extremely suspicious of men who approached you and were "nice". You may have heard different variations of the "nice" facade that could get you molested: the man who claims he needs help looking for his lost puppy, the man who tells you his name and wants to know your name etc.

Boys grow up and don't need to heed the warnings of Stranger Danger anymore. Girls grow up but those Stranger Danger warnings still apply. The warnings about not fallling for the "nice" facade also still apply. You probably don't take it personally when some little kid barks, "I don't talk to strangers!" at you when you were saying something perfectly innocuous. It would be insane for women to just disregard the warnings of their youth because women don't grow out of being in a high-predation demographic until they get much older (sometimes not even then).

So the best thing to do is to only approach women that have at least some marginal familiarity with you or at least have "seen you around".



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14 Jun 2011, 12:33 pm

hyperlexian just out curiosity dones you source have any stats about male victims of sexual assaults and rape.
As you know already am a survivor of female-on-male sexual assault.



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14 Jun 2011, 12:41 pm

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hyperlexian just out curiosity dones you source have any stats about male victims of sexual assaults and rape.
As you know already am a survivor of female-on-male sexual assault.

yes, click the link in my previous post or google "rape statistics". it is identified in the literature, and it is noted that it is underreported. most assaults against men are perpetrated by men, but there is a real stigma against men reporting their assaults when the perpetrator is a woman so the statistics are unfortunately incomplete.


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14 Jun 2011, 12:48 pm

Erisad wrote:
LordoftheMonkeys wrote:
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Erisad wrote:
Could you stop belittling the trauma of those that were raped please?

+1

I respect your right to say what's on your mind, here. But, I think you've made your point. In fact, you've more than made it. You're starting to dig yourself into a hole. And the common wisdom is that, when you start doing that, it's time to stop digging.


How am I digging myself into a hole? This is the internet. What are you going to do - send a hired thug over to my house to beat me up? :P


Don't be a smartass. You're pretty much saying that the women that are raped are just crying for attention, which is very offensive to most people. :/


Rape encompasses many things. When most people think of rape they think of a beefy thug beating a woman senseless and then buttfuçking her while she's screaming and squirming. A lot of "rapes" are one of the following situations:

- Having sex with someone who's drunk or high
- Having consensual sex with a minor
- A couple is about to have sex and just as they are about to begin the woman says she doesn't want to, but the man slips it in anyway
- A couple has consensual sex and the woman decides during or after the act that she doesn't want it

These are all considered rape by some significant portion of society.


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14 Jun 2011, 12:52 pm

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hyperlexian just out curiosity dones you source have any stats about male victims of sexual assaults and rape.
As you know already am a survivor of female-on-male sexual assault.

yes, click the link in my previous post or google "rape statistics". it is identified in the literature, and it is noted that it is underreported. most assaults against men are perpetrated by men, but there is a real stigma against men reporting their assaults when the perpetrator is a woman so the statistics are unfortunately incomplete.


I still don't see how female-on-male rape is possible, considering that:

- Men are usually stronger than women.
- There's the hole-and-peg problem I talked about earlier.
- It's very difficult for a woman to have sex with a man unless he already has a bøner, in which case he's most likely horny and wants it anyway.


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14 Jun 2011, 1:03 pm

hyperlexian wrote:
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hyperlexian just out curiosity dones you source have any stats about male victims of sexual assaults and rape.
As you know already am a survivor of female-on-male sexual assault.

yes, click the link in my previous post or google "rape statistics". it is identified in the literature, and it is noted that it is underreported. most assaults against men are perpetrated by men, but there is a real stigma against men reporting their assaults when the perpetrator is a woman so the statistics are unfortunately incomplete.


Thanks. I'll second that about the stigma, I didn't report my assault as I felt embarrassed and ashamed in hindsight now I wished I did as I found out that that female who assaulted as a long history of abusing people. I kept it a secret for over 5 years into I had a relationship issues with my gf at the time as was a rape survivor her self then I came out about it in the 3 years of therapy I had at that time. Well I recovered from most of the aspects of the assault tho I still can't be a small locked room with a woman by myself before a start to freak out.



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14 Jun 2011, 1:05 pm

LordoftheMonkeys wrote:
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hyperlexian just out curiosity dones you source have any stats about male victims of sexual assaults and rape.
As you know already am a survivor of female-on-male sexual assault.

yes, click the link in my previous post or google "rape statistics". it is identified in the literature, and it is noted that it is underreported. most assaults against men are perpetrated by men, but there is a real stigma against men reporting their assaults when the perpetrator is a woman so the statistics are unfortunately incomplete.


I still don't see how female-on-male rape is possible, considering that:

- Men are usually stronger than women.
- There's the hole-and-peg problem I talked about earlier.
- It's very difficult for a woman to have sex with a man unless he already has a bøner, in which case he's most likely horny and wants it anyway.

it may be worthwhile for you to look into that, as you are clearly interested in understanding how it happens. as you stated in the post above that, rape can happen in more than one way, and one of the ways it can happen it through lack of consent (for example only - there are many other ways than this). a person's body can repond physically without there being any consent. a guy can get an erection and either gender can orgasm without intending for it to happen.

and it does not have to be just one kind of sex or one kind of act. there are many kinds of sexual assault that do not involve vaginal sex.


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14 Jun 2011, 1:28 pm

LordoftheMonkeys wrote:
Erisad wrote:
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Could you stop belittling the trauma of those that were raped please?

+1

I respect your right to say what's on your mind, here. But, I think you've made your point. In fact, you've more than made it. You're starting to dig yourself into a hole. And the common wisdom is that, when you start doing that, it's time to stop digging.


How am I digging myself into a hole? This is the internet. What are you going to do - send a hired thug over to my house to beat me up? :P


Don't be a smartass. You're pretty much saying that the women that are raped are just crying for attention, which is very offensive to most people. :/


Rape encompasses many things. When most people think of rape they think of a beefy thug beating a woman senseless and then buttfuçking her while she's screaming and squirming. A lot of "rapes" are one of the following situations:

- Having sex with someone who's drunk or high
- Having consensual sex with a minor
- A couple is about to have sex and just as they are about to begin the woman says she doesn't want to, but the man slips it in anyway
- A couple has consensual sex and the woman decides during or after the act that she doesn't want it

These are all considered rape by some significant portion of society.


Rape is wrong regardless of how you justify it. If someone decides that they don't want it, the intercourse has to stop. If the man gets "blue balls" from it, too bad. Take a cold shower and walk it off. You don't know what can cause someone to change their mind. It can be something serious. :/



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14 Jun 2011, 3:13 pm

hyperlexian wrote:
it may be worthwhile for you to look into that, as you are clearly interested in understanding how it happens. as you stated in the post above that, rape can happen in more than one way, and one of the ways it can happen it through lack of consent (for example only - there are many other ways than this). a person's body can repond physically without there being any consent. a guy can get an erection and either gender can orgasm without intending for it to happen.

and it does not have to be just one kind of sex or one kind of act. there are many kinds of sexual assault that do not involve vaginal sex.


QFT +1

Plus its still an violent act which all types sexual assaults are (I'm classing rape here as a form of sexual assault),
Ok some countries in the world have different legal definitions in what is classed as rape. tho there all share theses two common points:

  1. Rape is a type of sexual assault.
  2. Its an violent act again the victim's consent.