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30 Dec 2012, 2:39 am

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Of course you can.


Seriously though, there's been a lot of research done on it, and narcissistic people tend to be rated very popular over the short term (at the expense of the long-term). That "arrogance" is endearing.....at first. Link.

This is why it's such an effective wooing tactic and therefore popular in the PUA crowd.



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30 Dec 2012, 2:51 am

What about my needs?



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30 Dec 2012, 4:08 am

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He's not one of those I'm afraid... He's disturbingly handsome; I'd say he looks even better live than in photos. He's also intelligent and very charismatic, although he's also annoyingly full of himself and has very provocative sense of humour. I hate to like him :P


Lemme give you a little PUA secret sweetie: That "annoying" arrogance of his? Isn't. :wink:

I almost wish I could meet this guy to learn his tricks!


Shau, I'm pretty familiar with PUA tricks. I've also been a shoulder to Mystery on Skype who has yet another suicidal streak after his baby's mom never wants to see him again among other problems he's gotten himself into. He sure knows how to "build a life". Don't go that road.

If this guy wasn't as handsome, physically in amazing shape (and well equipped), a great lover and otherwise so charming, I doubt I would tolerate that in any man. If he was more down-to-earth, he'd be more likable and I actually could respect him. Now I can't. But I do feel sympathy for him; it's getting to be pretty obvious that he got seriously hurt by the break-up and seems to be going through some "phase".

I really enjoy the physical aspect of our acquaintance, but if I don't get more respect for him, I'm not going to tolerate it.


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30 Dec 2012, 4:27 am

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Shau, I'm pretty familiar with PUA tricks. I've also been a shoulder to Mystery on Skype who has yet another suicidal streak after his baby's mom never wants to see him again among other problems he's gotten himself into. He sure knows how to "build a life". Don't go that road.


Ooooooooh yeaaaa, I remember that thread now. Don't worry, I have little intentions of becoming a "player", but as an Asper it's in my best interests to know a few charisma tricks. It's like having a sword, usable for good and evil: Whether you decide to use them to rock a girl's world or break a string of hearts is all up to the user.

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If this guy wasn't as handsome, physically in amazing shape (and well equipped), a great lover and otherwise so charming, I doubt I would tolerate that in any man.


Everyone has their own tastes. However, empirically speaking, most people will not only tolerate it but even LIKE it at first, the trick is knowing when to reign it in so that it doesn't turn from "attractive" to "annoying". It's good, however, to see girls that are wising up to these silly gimmicks.



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30 Dec 2012, 4:52 am

Ok, Lilya, this thread is becoming unnecessarily one of the hottest threads in this section, and so I'm going to be very frank now. One thing I said back on the very first page of this thread which you chose not to address:

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I don't believe it's unwanted fame, Lilya.


And I still stick to that belief. Especially when, by your admission, you've gone out of your way to make yourself available to other celebrities, with the main guy of this topic and Mystery being only two celebs you've somewhat been involved with on an emotional level at least.

So really, from what I can see, the actual point of this thread isn't simply for you to seek advice from Aspies, most of whom have much less experience than you do in the dating world (both guys and girls). But to extract a good supply of attention from the potentially awe-inspired audience so to speak. Because, after all, you have an interesting love story going on with a famous person!

Anyway, you're more intelligent than some of the members are making you out to be. And I don't think you're the type to be manipulated so easily. If anything, I would suspect the opposite is more true.

In short, advice is not what you're after. You're after admiration. And it looks like people here are giving it to you. Which, I guess, is good to know.



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30 Dec 2012, 6:07 am

I think the moral of this story is that you can;
- Have a masters level education
- Be career driven
- Be highly intelligent and successful
- Have your head screwed on in every other right way...

But there are still some guys who can turn you into mush and reduce you to an object no matter what. -1 point for feminism, what a sad day :(



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30 Dec 2012, 6:14 am

blue_bean wrote:
I think the moral of this story is that you can;
- Have a masters level education
- Be career driven
- Be highly intelligent and successful
- Have your head screwed on in every other right way...


None of that determines if you're stupid or not, see:

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If this guy wasn't as handsome, physically in amazing shape (and well equipped), a great lover and otherwise so charming, I doubt I would tolerate that in any man.


Ha.



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30 Dec 2012, 6:47 am

blue_bean wrote:
I think the moral of this story is that you can;
- Have a masters level education
- Be career driven
- Be highly intelligent and successful
- Have your head screwed on in every other right way...

But there are still some guys who can turn you into mush and reduce you to an object no matter what. -1 point for feminism, what a sad day :(


They can only do that if you let them.


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30 Dec 2012, 7:39 am

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Ok, Lilya, this thread is becoming unnecessarily one of the hottest threads in this section, and so I'm going to be very frank now. One thing I said back on the very first page of this thread which you chose not to address:

MCalavera wrote:
I don't believe it's unwanted fame, Lilya.


And I still stick to that belief. Especially when, by your admission, you've gone out of your way to make yourself available to other celebrities, with the main guy of this topic and Mystery being only two celebs you've somewhat been involved with on an emotional level at least.

So really, from what I can see, the actual point of this thread isn't simply for you to seek advice from Aspies, most of whom have much less experience than you do in the dating world (both guys and girls). But to extract a good supply of attention from the potentially awe-inspired audience so to speak. Because, after all, you have an interesting love story going on with a famous person!

Anyway, you're more intelligent than some of the members are making you out to be. And I don't think you're the type to be manipulated so easily. If anything, I would suspect the opposite is more true.

In short, advice is not what you're after. You're after admiration. And it looks like people here are giving it to you. Which, I guess, is good to know.


It's not exactly a "love story" that I have going on with this guy. Like it's already been pointed out enough many times, I'm most likely just one of the hundreds of women he has been with in his life saying the exactly same things as his other flings. It feels like a very strange and overwhelming situation to be in and it's been very much a relief to have been able to open up about my feelings here (it would be difficult to do in Finland without revealing his identity) and all the advice here I've received is very much appreciated. It has helped me greatly to put things into perspective. Also, there's at least two other members here that have also seemingly been romantically involved with celebs. I never thought and claimed to be unique by sharing my recent experience.

Can I point out to you that I've only made two threads during my history in WP and generally speaking been a very inactive member lately. I don't get how it's supposed to be attention seeking. I may get attention IRL like any other young women do, but it doesn't make me any less socially ret*d as I happen to be and doesn't make it easier to find a genuinely loving relationship. Anyone who knows me as a person also knows how much insecurities I deal with in everyday life. Getting into modeling did help me to deal with my distorted body-image that I still struggle with sometimes. Several other members have posted far more photos of themselves than I have, including professional photos and pictures of their body parts. Your conclusion of me is based on a lingerie photo I posted to the original "Hot aspies" thread 1,5 years ago as a reply to another members underwear photo. I never expected that people would react to me that differently in comparison to other members if I posted photos, especially pro ones. Some seem to find me attractive, but there seems to always many more people than that wanting to make a very strong point about how ugly person I am. I've never felt admired here and I've never been after a fan club either. More than anything I've felt I'm one of the least liked members here, even though I sincerely mean well for anyone. Whenever I show support to someone, it seems to get ignored, and one comment that says something about being approached IRL by an unpleasant way gets interpreted as "bragging". Tell me my dear Manny, what do you expect me to do or say differently? I'm not going to dye my hair or getting myself scarred with breast reduction in order to please you. If anyone asks me how I feel about my own face, there's not a positive word to hear. If I did that however, most would seemingly see that as fishing for sympathy rather than actually thinking I dislike my face.

My past and current self-esteem issues are one of the major problems when it comes to me and men (and women). Even with this guy, it's wonderful when he kissed me close, looked into my eyes and told me how beautiful I was. Then the moment gets ruined when he turns away and reminds me that he has to hurry, urging me to leave because he doesn't want a paparazzi to catch us together outside his apartment :P Still, I can't deny it is one form of feeling accepted, just to be lusted by a guy that handsome. I'm a horrid liar and I'm not someone who tries to manipulate people. It's sometimes difficult for me to say "no" to someone who shows sincere interest towards me, but that's another matter.

I've never claimed to be without problems in my life. If you feel I'm worth admiration, I feel flattered.


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30 Dec 2012, 12:05 pm

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Your conclusion of me is based on a lingerie photo I posted to the original "Hot aspies" thread 1,5 years ago


*searching for the thread*

Which page it was?



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30 Dec 2012, 12:19 pm

Why would you loom for those if she's already sent you private pics



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30 Dec 2012, 12:33 pm

Naughty pics? :cyclopsani:



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30 Dec 2012, 12:54 pm

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Naughty pics? :cyclopsani:


Not exactly... Just some basic portfolio photo :P


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30 Dec 2012, 1:21 pm

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Why would you loom for those if she's already sent you private pics


Huushh



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30 Dec 2012, 1:47 pm

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Naughty pics? :cyclopsani:


Not exactly... Just some basic portfolio photo :P


In other words, yes. I've known a few people who tried to get into modeling, etc. The standard portfolio includes nudes... the "experts" gotta' make sure their meat-puppet is perfect in every way.

(Sorry if I seem cranky... It made me mad these people took advantage of my friends. Despite the nude photos and sexual advances, none of them ever got modeling gigs from it - they were taken advantage of beginning to end.)



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30 Dec 2012, 3:40 pm

BlueMax wrote:
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Naughty pics? :cyclopsani:


Not exactly... Just some basic portfolio photo :P


In other words, yes. I've known a few people who tried to get into modeling, etc. The standard portfolio includes nudes... the "experts" gotta' make sure their meat-puppet is perfect in every way.

(Sorry if I seem cranky... It made me mad these people took advantage of my friends. Despite the nude photos and sexual advances, none of them ever got modeling gigs from it - they were taken advantage of beginning to end.)


That was really unnecessary... Especially when I feel a lot of sympathy for your friends because I know all too well from my own and model friends' experience that it does happen a lot... I've been sexually harassed by some photographers and been attempted to be pressured into nude photos, with both bribes and threats. (There even was some photographer who paid me to model for long evening gowns, and later during the shoot, started to rip my clothes because I refused to get naked for him.)

I managed to make a good deal of modelling gigs, a steady income and contracts with different clothing /companies and bands. It takes a lot of effort and know-how, luck and the right type of "look" for the assignment. From the start I chose to specialize in more "goth" type of shoots and corsets because even though it means smaller income, it's safer in many more ways.

Any supermodel you can name has posed nude and I know many models who have (in a very tasteful manner too), but I also know numerous successful models who have never even considered it as an option. I judge no model, but no girl should ever feel pressured to get naked for their career. Luckily there are many very professional and genuinely nice photographers as well... The photographer who took my lingerie photos for instance is a good friend of mine who I'd trust with my life.


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