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06 Sep 2016, 7:05 pm

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I actually agree with you for once. It literally makes no sense. They're literally also saying that all people of certain races look the same to them... Which is in fact racism.


Nobody's said that. I don't know what you're reading. But you can't deny that there are physical features that are very common amongst some races. Like I said, white people can have blue, green, hazel, brown eyes, etc. They can have blonde, ginger, dark brown, light brown, black hair. There is more diversity in eye colour and hair colour with white people than there is with most other races, and those things help people stand out. If all white people had blonde hair and blue eyes, we'd all look pretty similar to each other.

That's actually kind of what you're saying lol. Also keep your ugly blue eyes. And your Who nose.


What's a Who nose?

Who as in the Whos from The Grinch Stole Christmas.


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07 Sep 2016, 12:57 am

lidsmichelle wrote:
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I actually agree with you for once. It literally makes no sense. They're literally also saying that all people of certain races look the same to them... Which is in fact racism.


Nobody's said that. I don't know what you're reading. But you can't deny that there are physical features that are very common amongst some races. Like I said, white people can have blue, green, hazel, brown eyes, etc. They can have blonde, ginger, dark brown, light brown, black hair. There is more diversity in eye colour and hair colour with white people than there is with most other races, and those things help people stand out. If all white people had blonde hair and blue eyes, we'd all look pretty similar to each other.

That's actually kind of what you're saying lol. Also keep your ugly blue eyes. And your Who nose.

You must feel very mature. Resorting to ad hominems because I'm presenting an opinion that you don't agree with.



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07 Sep 2016, 1:10 am

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I'm wondering how the guys here who have racial preferences in dating would feel if most white women said things like "I don't date white guys or asians or anyone but black guys with big dicks. That's not racist and I can't help it, it's just my natural preference. It's what I'm attracted to and I can't control it."

Funny enough, this actually happened to me once with someone I was romantically interested in. I respected her preferences and let her get on with her life.

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If you really couldn't date someone because you could never be attracted to someone with their skin colour, it means you are racist as well as shallow as s**t (because skin colour relates to absolutely nothing about personality or goals or interests or anything else, any more than hair or eye colour do).

And people have preferences for eye and hair colour too. Some people won't date people of a deviating eye colour or hair colour for a partner. I remember a stage within my adolescence in which I was pretty much only interested in blondes. At that stage, I was only willing to date white girls.

Now, my preferences have changed a lot, and there are certain racial groups I'm attracted to and a couple of racial groups that I'm seldom attracted to.

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It's kind of amazing--and very sad--how many people can't see that (or simply don't want to because they don't want to have to address their mindset about certain things.) Seems like it's mostly white dudes with that attitude, too. Why does that aspect of it not surprise me, that white dudes would be more prone to "racial preferences" in dating? :|

So now grouping white dudes into a box of contempt isn't racist?


So people who have preferences for eye colour, say blue eyes, that meet people who they are really compatible with and share a lot of interests and that they enjoy the company of but don't have blue eyes won't date those compatible people just because they don't conform to meaningless physical characteristics that have nothing to do with who the person is inside, those people with those shallow preferences are understandable and not idiots? Because they strike me as idiotic.

All the guys I have dated (less than a dozen, but a decent sampling) have been different from each other in their physical characteristics--some were short and some tall, some dark and swarthy and some light and pale, blue eyes, brown eyes, light fine straight hair and dark kinky/curly hair, round faces and square faces, and different races and nationalities. The only things they really had in common with each other is that they had some personal characteristics that made them attractive to me, something about their personalities drew me to them and made them interesting. That's the way human relationships are built. If you're only looking for casual sex then maybe it makes sense to concentrate solely on physical features, but if your aim is to form meaningful relationships with other humans then you have to look at more than physical features our you are going to be perpetually disappointed and unable to make lasting connections with people.

People's skin colour has nothing to do with who they are inside--it dictates nothing about their personalities or interests and therefore makes no sense to use as a quality to judge compatibility. If you look at another human and all you can see is a skin colour that you don't find attractive rather than the unique qualities of the person inhabiting that skin, then yeah you are a racist person.

Let me put it this way. Would you date someone you weren't physically attracted to? Most people would say no.

If you didn't find yourself physically attracted to the vast majority of members of a certain race, would you consider yourself racist for not dating people of that race?

Who a person is on the inside is of course important, but the physical attraction you feel towards someone is what sets a relationship aside from a friendship. If you refuse to have friends of other races, yeah, you probably are racist. But to not be attracted to the overwhelming majority of members belonging to a particular race is hardly something you can control.



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07 Sep 2016, 1:48 am

The Grand Inquisitor wrote:
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I'm wondering how the guys here who have racial preferences in dating would feel if most white women said things like "I don't date white guys or asians or anyone but black guys with big dicks. That's not racist and I can't help it, it's just my natural preference. It's what I'm attracted to and I can't control it."

Funny enough, this actually happened to me once with someone I was romantically interested in. I respected her preferences and let her get on with her life.

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If you really couldn't date someone because you could never be attracted to someone with their skin colour, it means you are racist as well as shallow as s**t (because skin colour relates to absolutely nothing about personality or goals or interests or anything else, any more than hair or eye colour do).

And people have preferences for eye and hair colour too. Some people won't date people of a deviating eye colour or hair colour for a partner. I remember a stage within my adolescence in which I was pretty much only interested in blondes. At that stage, I was only willing to date white girls.

Now, my preferences have changed a lot, and there are certain racial groups I'm attracted to and a couple of racial groups that I'm seldom attracted to.

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It's kind of amazing--and very sad--how many people can't see that (or simply don't want to because they don't want to have to address their mindset about certain things.) Seems like it's mostly white dudes with that attitude, too. Why does that aspect of it not surprise me, that white dudes would be more prone to "racial preferences" in dating? :|

So now grouping white dudes into a box of contempt isn't racist?


So people who have preferences for eye colour, say blue eyes, that meet people who they are really compatible with and share a lot of interests and that they enjoy the company of but don't have blue eyes won't date those compatible people just because they don't conform to meaningless physical characteristics that have nothing to do with who the person is inside, those people with those shallow preferences are understandable and not idiots? Because they strike me as idiotic.

All the guys I have dated (less than a dozen, but a decent sampling) have been different from each other in their physical characteristics--some were short and some tall, some dark and swarthy and some light and pale, blue eyes, brown eyes, light fine straight hair and dark kinky/curly hair, round faces and square faces, and different races and nationalities. The only things they really had in common with each other is that they had some personal characteristics that made them attractive to me, something about their personalities drew me to them and made them interesting. That's the way human relationships are built. If you're only looking for casual sex then maybe it makes sense to concentrate solely on physical features, but if your aim is to form meaningful relationships with other humans then you have to look at more than physical features our you are going to be perpetually disappointed and unable to make lasting connections with people.

People's skin colour has nothing to do with who they are inside--it dictates nothing about their personalities or interests and therefore makes no sense to use as a quality to judge compatibility. If you look at another human and all you can see is a skin colour that you don't find attractive rather than the unique qualities of the person inhabiting that skin, then yeah you are a racist person.

Let me put it this way. Would you date someone you weren't physically attracted to? Most people would say no.

If you didn't find yourself physically attracted to the vast majority of members of a certain race, would you consider yourself racist for not dating people of that race?

Who a person is on the inside is of course important, but the physical attraction you feel towards someone is what sets a relationship aside from a friendship. If you refuse to have friends of other races, yeah, you probably are racist. But to not be attracted to the overwhelming majority of members belonging to a particular race is hardly something you can control.


But who we are attracted to is not hard wired--it can be strongly influenced by culture and individual experience and choice/will/volition. I just watched this program the other day and it talks about recent research that shows how reproductive biology is not the only reason we have sex/pair up:


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07 Sep 2016, 2:00 am

The Grand Inquisitor wrote:
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I actually agree with you for once. It literally makes no sense. They're literally also saying that all people of certain races look the same to them... Which is in fact racism.


Nobody's said that. I don't know what you're reading. But you can't deny that there are physical features that are very common amongst some races. Like I said, white people can have blue, green, hazel, brown eyes, etc. They can have blonde, ginger, dark brown, light brown, black hair. There is more diversity in eye colour and hair colour with white people than there is with most other races, and those things help people stand out. If all white people had blonde hair and blue eyes, we'd all look pretty similar to each other.

That's actually kind of what you're saying lol. Also keep your ugly blue eyes. And your Who nose.

You must feel very mature. Resorting to ad hominems because I'm presenting an opinion that you don't agree with.

No, but it's still funny lol. Like Noah fence but I dont really think your opinion matters and you don't know what the hell you're talking about. Sure I could continue arguing with wall or I could could just make fun of your unfortunate nose and not feel bad because you're clearly racist and in denial.


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07 Sep 2016, 2:22 am

lidsmichelle wrote:
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I actually agree with you for once. It literally makes no sense. They're literally also saying that all people of certain races look the same to them... Which is in fact racism.


Nobody's said that. I don't know what you're reading. But you can't deny that there are physical features that are very common amongst some races. Like I said, white people can have blue, green, hazel, brown eyes, etc. They can have blonde, ginger, dark brown, light brown, black hair. There is more diversity in eye colour and hair colour with white people than there is with most other races, and those things help people stand out. If all white people had blonde hair and blue eyes, we'd all look pretty similar to each other.

That's actually kind of what you're saying lol. Also keep your ugly blue eyes. And your Who nose.

You must feel very mature. Resorting to ad hominems because I'm presenting an opinion that you don't agree with.

No, but it's still funny lol. Like Noah fence but I dont really think your opinion matters and you don't know what the hell you're talking about. Sure I could continue arguing with wall or I could could just make fun of your unfortunate nose and not feel bad because you're clearly racist and in denial.


I got a warning point for personal attacks and slander. :(



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07 Sep 2016, 6:15 am

The more different some people are from you, the more alike they’ll look to you. There’s nothing racist about that; it’s a matter of perspective.


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07 Sep 2016, 8:33 am

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Pardon me but what is wrong with “negro” ? It simply refers to a person of negroid heritage.



It's like saying Jap for Japanese. It is considered offensive.

Offense is taken not given. What someone thinks of as offensive may differ from what another person deems as offensive; it is completely subjective.
And Negro is not an insult so I don’t understand why someone would take offense to that.
Negro literally means black in most Romanic languages and it comes from the Latin word niger which means, surprise, black too. It is absolutely nothing like calling a Japanese person “Jap”.
Negro,or in my language Neger, is a neutral reference to a person of Negroid heritage, it is not derogatory. And before PC –police started to ban words it wasn’t a problem to say it. No one could ever explain to me why this, all of a sudden, is offensive and shall not be said.
If calling someone a Negro or Negroid is considered to be a slur than by that logic calling someone Caucasoid would also be a slur.

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It's kind of amazing--and very sad--how many people can't see that (or simply don't want to because they don't want to have to address their mindset about certain things.) Seems like it's mostly white dudes with that attitude, too. Why does that aspect of it not surprise me, that white dudes would be more prone to "racial preferences" in dating? :|

Good question indeed. Why do you think that white guys are more prone to racial preferences?
Do you have some generalised, stereotypical thoughts about white men in your head?
Racial preferences aren’t a white people thing. People of every other race have racial preferences too and that's okay.

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All the guys I have dated (less than a dozen, but a decent sampling) have been different from each other in their physical characteristics--some were short and some tall, some dark and swarthy and some light and pale, blue eyes, brown eyes, light fine straight hair and dark kinky/curly hair, round faces and square faces, and different races and nationalities. The only things they really had in common with each other is that they had some personal characteristics that made them attractive to me, something about their personalities drew me to them and made them interesting. That's the way human relationships are built. If you're only looking for casual sex then maybe it makes sense to concentrate solely on physical features, but if your aim is to form meaningful relationships with other humans then you have to look at more than physical features our you are going to be perpetually disappointed and unable to make lasting connections with people.

If you think physical attraction is completely irrelevant in a committed relationship you’re mistaking. Sure personality and intellectual compatibility are an important factor in a relationship but in a romantic relationship finding your partner attractive does matter as well.
If I wanted to be in a relationship with someone I would really like to look at him and find him to be aesthetic and would have to be physically attracted to him. Both components are important for a functioning and satisfying relationship for both partners. And I am not attracted to blacks and don't find any of their features attractive at all. Their lips don’t appeal to me for example; I wouldn’t want to kiss those lips.


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07 Sep 2016, 3:09 pm

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And I am not attracted to blacks and don't find any of their features attractive at all. Their lips don’t appeal to me for example; I wouldn’t want to kiss those lips.



See, this is a racist statement. I personally have seen many thousands of black faces in my lifetime, and all of the black people I have seen had different lips from each other. There is no such thing as "black lips"--black people can have thin or thick lips, them all having thick lips is a racist stereotype that is not accurate. This is what we mean when we say it is racist to have these preferences--you have this picture in your head of what a black person looks like that is inaccurate and comes from the racist influence of ignorant white culture that you steep yourself in.

Assuming all the people of a certain race are going to have the same features is racist. I am continually amazed at the level of denial and ignorance in this thread. Like, I knew WP had some dedicated racist members but I had no idea the amount of subconscious racism that people are willing to live with and perpetuate rather than acknowledge and try to change about themselves. It's really disappointing and makes me embarrassed right now to be white and also to be a member of this forum.

You guys in denial are making me look bad by association and I don't appreciate that. Get over yourselves and realise that people of other races are not a monolith and don't all look the same and have the same features. It's pathetic and gross and wrong and damaging to have ideas like that. White people are not the only kinds of people who vary from individual to individual in their facial features--this fact should not have to be stated to adults with working brains that are not cognitively challenged, there is NO excuse for perpetuating that kind of racist ignorance.


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And I am not attracted to blacks and don't find any of their features attractive at all. Their lips don’t appeal to me for example; I wouldn’t want to kiss those lips.



See, this is a racist statement. I personally have seen many thousands of black faces in my lifetime, and all of the black people I have seen had different lips from each other. There is no such thing as "black lips"--black people can have thin or thick lips, them all having thick lips is a racist stereotype that is not accurate. This is what we mean when we say it is racist to have these preferences--you have this picture in your head of what a black person looks like that is inaccurate and comes from the racist influence of ignorant white culture that you steep yourself in.

Assuming all the people of a certain race are going to have the same features is racist. I am continually amazed at the level of denial and ignorance in this thread. Like, I knew WP had some dedicated racist members but I had no idea the amount of subconscious racism that people are willing to live with and perpetuate rather than acknowledge and try to change about themselves. It's really disappointing and makes me embarrassed right now to be white and also to be a member of this forum.

You guys in denial are making me look bad by association and I don't appreciate that. Get over yourselves and realise that people of other races are not a monolith and don't all look the same and have the same features. It's pathetic and gross and wrong and damaging to have ideas like that. White people are not the only kinds of people who vary from individual to individual in their facial features--this fact should not have to be stated to adults with working brains that are not cognitively challenged, there is NO excuse for perpetuating that kind of racist ignorance.

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07 Sep 2016, 3:59 pm

If people can change who they are attractive to, then logically they'd be able to change what sex they are attracted to. But what no it's constantly defended(rightfully so) that being gay or straight isn't a choice, that one can't choose which gender they are attracted to. If you take that position then the logical step is if one can't chose what gender they are attracted to, then one can't change who their attracted to at all.

I can't make myself be attracted to a person I find unattractive anymore then I could make myself feel attractive to men.



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07 Sep 2016, 4:33 pm

imagine if a racist annoying kid like justing bibr in his next life born as a disabled kid in poor third world streets

and ariana granday who is in love with her colorful underwears lolon the stage,,
her next life will be born in any **** hole where women are forced to cover even their faces



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If people can change who they are attractive to, then logically they'd be able to change what sex they are attracted to. But what no it's constantly defended(rightfully so) that being gay or straight isn't a choice, that one can't choose which gender they are attracted to. If you take that position then the logical step is if one can't chose what gender they are attracted to, then one can't change who their attracted to at all.

I can't make myself be attracted to a person I find unattractive anymore then I could make myself feel attractive to men.


Jeez, guys, stop comparing sexual orientation to your superficial skin color preference. As far as I know, people don’t come out of the womb with a gene that says “don't be attracted to race x”.

That just doesn’t happen. Race is not a valid biological concept. There are physiological and genetic differences between male and female, but there are no significant differences between races on a biological level…so any preference that a person has for a specific “race,” is socially constructed and influenced. It is NOT the same as person being Straight or Gay because there are strong evidences that sexual orientations is largely genetic.

It’s your right to have your racial preference and that’s fine, but please don’t pretend that it is innate and that it came from nowhere, when it is not. There are reasons that you prefer to date a certain race or dislike dating some other race You did not wake up one day and magically prefer a specific race …like a magical preference.



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Hey, OP is back! First of all, thanks for your feedback, I have gotten a lot of opinions, some good, some bad etc. I just wanted to clear up some things. First of all, I don't dislike any particular race. There are good and bad people of all colours. I have friends of all backgrounds, and they are some of the nicest people I've ever met. I mentioned before that I have never been sexually attracted to a white guy. I would turn one down cuz I'm just not attracted to their looks, not cuz I hate them as a person or as a race of people. Unfortunately, brown guys have a bad rep at my school and if anyone found out about my preferences I would most likely get get a bad rep as well. Any white girl who even dares to be romantically interested in Middle Eastern/Indian guys would most likely get hated on. Sad but true.


Now that's racism, not your preference.

It totally explains my Tinder experiment: viewtopic.php?t=275336

The "Whiter" the country, the way less matches I got.

And I know some might attack me for saying this:

I know that racism exists in all races, including Middle Easterns (and many Middle Easterns living in Middle-East self-identify as "Whites" and have some even have racist attitudes against Asians and Africans; Far-Southern Egyptians are called blacks by other Egyptians while them call them whites) , but I find it most appallingly common among Whites in general and European/American Whites in particular, racism is really an especially White trademark -

Personally, I have NEVER EVER got any racist remarks from Asians, Africans, Indians and Native Americans (online and offline alike) I have yet to meet a POC person saying a racist remark to me even though many of them identify me as White, such remarks always come from Whites' mouths, I am talking from my entirely personal experience over years.



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07 Sep 2016, 5:38 pm

thread is full of logical fallacies also at least define racism first

in my opinion a simple answer to theops questiob:(9=Do Racial Preferences Make You A Racist?)

the anser is a "yes" with a butt

most people are racists. the thing is a lot of people are good at not saying anything at all