20% of men get 80% of women?

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19 Mar 2016, 4:18 pm

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Your second point regarding intercourse in established relationships, though, I would disagree with. Within a relationship, women crave intercourse as an expression of intimacy (emotional as well as physical), and thus crave it regardless of desire for children - even women who strongly don't want to have children. My friends who were trying to conceive would often see sex as a chore required for it (in other words, desire for children didn't raise their sex drive). How "in love" a girl feels with her partner seems to influence her sex drive more than her desire for children, at least among the friends I've had. If she's having issues with her partner, that will but wants a kid, she won't be interested in sex; however, if she's having a good time in her relationship with her partner, but doesn't want kids, she'll still want sex.


OK. I suppose this is how sexual people work, so I won't disagree with you. My argument was from the POV of somebody that identifies as asexual.



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19 Mar 2016, 4:56 pm

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Your second point regarding intercourse in established relationships, though, I would disagree with. Within a relationship, women crave intercourse as an expression of intimacy (emotional as well as physical), and thus crave it regardless of desire for children - even women who strongly don't want to have children. My friends who were trying to conceive would often see sex as a chore required for it (in other words, desire for children didn't raise their sex drive). How "in love" a girl feels with her partner seems to influence her sex drive more than her desire for children, at least among the friends I've had. If she's having issues with her partner, that will but wants a kid, she won't be interested in sex; however, if she's having a good time in her relationship with her partner, but doesn't want kids, she'll still want sex.


OK. I suppose this is how sexual people work, so I won't disagree with you. My argument was from the POV of somebody that identifies as asexual.


And you assume that because your wife is asexual that this is how most women are................. :lol:


@LillaA: Many women are like that. But I also have met some women whose libido fluctuates with their menstrual cycle or with their mood swings. And contrary rdos' claims that women unconsciously seek to avoid unwanted pregnancy, I've heard stories from women, particularly in their 20s, who complain that their body is trying to *trick* them into getting pregnant even though they're not ready for it!



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19 Mar 2016, 5:16 pm

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Just throwing out another possibility that could still make the theory true:
Women can think (or convince themselves that they think) it's not casual sex even when it is. They'll think (or tell themselves they think) there's a "real connection", especially when they're drinking, then after the one-night stand discover that it was just casual sex. So, 80% is high, but I'd say at least around 50% of women are open (at least at some point in their lives) to casual sex. Not myself, but listening to female coworkers, I've been shocked. :lol:


Good, you are one of the few WP women who actually observe and sit with other women instead of refuting guys' observations and telling us "oh that's not true! stereotype! I am not like this! most aren't like this" :P.

Remember that some people are shy to talk about this stuff, so there's probably more than 50%.



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19 Mar 2016, 5:19 pm

Lilla, check this
Check this viewtopic.php?f=17&t=286702 :lol:

it's certainly more than 50%.



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19 Mar 2016, 5:32 pm

I don't understand why math is even applied to casual sex. Can someone explain this to me?



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19 Mar 2016, 5:40 pm

goofygoobers wrote:
I don't understand why math is even applied to casual sex. Can someone explain this to me?




There is math is EVERYTHING. Even sex! :D

Read all about it:

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19 Mar 2016, 6:49 pm

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Believe what you want, but I have no trouble finding women who do like sex and I never had. In fact, I've even had a woman practically rape me because she was so turned on that she jumped on top of me and was unzipping my fly. Mind you that I totally LET her do it. Actions speak louder than words, brah.



Let me point out that responding enthusiastically to the assertive sexual advances of a person whom you have freely chosen to be with is in no way "practically rape."


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19 Mar 2016, 7:12 pm

LillaA wrote:
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But is it really viable to think that 80% of women are even open to casual sex? I would say not.

Just throwing out another possibility that could still make the theory true:
Women can think (or convince themselves that they think) it's not casual sex even when it is. They'll think (or tell themselves they think) there's a "real connection", especially when they're drinking, then after the one-night stand discover that it was just casual sex. So, 80% is high, but I'd say at least around 50% of women are open (at least at some point in their lives) to casual sex. Not myself, but listening to female coworkers, I've been shocked. :lol: The other 30% could be closely approached with people who "thought it was something more". Maybe not from a one-night-stand, but a guy could get laid within a week (which I would still consider "casual sex") by playing his game right for her to think it was a "real connection".

I heard that idea of women "thinking it would be something more" a long time ago and it made sense. I think it might happen to some younger women, before they realise how it all works. But when I heard this idea I also was very naive about how many women enjoyed and pursued casual sex. The figure would be quite high. I don't want to throw out percentages because I really don't know, and also they would change for different age groups and be different in different societies. As a general trend, I'd say older women would no longer expect a casual encounter to "mean more", and older women also would be less likely to be interested in casual sex (but more likely than most people think :P).

I speak from total inexperience though because I've never been used or confused by a man in that way. I have, however, experienced it the other way around, where I've thought we were just being casual, and he wanted more. So I can see how it can happen.



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19 Mar 2016, 7:24 pm

Eloquaint wrote:
AR15000 wrote:

Believe what you want, but I have no trouble finding women who do like sex and I never had. In fact, I've even had a woman practically rape me because she was so turned on that she jumped on top of me and was unzipping my fly. Mind you that I totally LET her do it. Actions speak louder than words, brah.



Let me point out that responding enthusiastically to the assertive sexual advances of a person whom you have freely chosen to be with is in no way "practically rape."



That's not *quite* how it happened. I was not entirely receptive to her AGGRESSIVE sexual advances....But I could definitely have fought her off if I was really not into it. I did not let her take my pants off. She later said 1 year afterwards "I practically raped you" when I was coming onto her but she was clearly not into it.


And gosh darnit! Broads with borderline as sexual Tyrannosauruses!



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19 Mar 2016, 9:18 pm

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It's in the biology of women to require more than just casual sex, and contraceptives will not change that.



Citation needed



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19 Mar 2016, 10:23 pm

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There's almost a 1-to-1 correspondence between men/women throughout most of the world.
It's obvious that the above assertion is ridiculous.

in between "there's" and "there's almost" is the solitary land where I live. :|



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19 Mar 2016, 11:46 pm

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There's almost a 1-to-1 correspondence between men/women throughout most of the world.

It's obvious that the above assertion is ridiculous.



NOT. TRUE.

In China and India, the world's most populous nations, more than 50% of the population is male. And in China in particular it's a huge problem because there's a shortage of local women so Chinese men are going abroad in search of wives. Many seem to be marrying Russian women.

Here's what the sex ratio actually looks like(pink = >50% female, blue = >50% male, green = 1:1)

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20 Mar 2016, 8:05 am

I don't think applying statistics and math to sex and relationships serves any purpose. It seems like a pitiful attempt to justify a rant. I mean no offense, but I really don't like this kind of logic.



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20 Mar 2016, 8:12 am

If you read further, you'll find the ratios either way are never more than about 1.2 to 1.



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20 Mar 2016, 8:14 am

If I can recall, Ukraine has the largest shortage of men. Nonetheless, the premise that there are 1:5 men to women is grossly incorrect.


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20 Mar 2016, 10:02 am

kraftiekortie wrote:
If you read further, you'll find the ratios either way are never more than about 1.2 to 1.



What this shows is that the dating market is driven not by supply, but by DEMAND. And in societies with at-will dating and marriage, like pretty much all western countries, that means there will be more men than women left out involuntarily because women really *are* pickier than men no matter what way you look at it.