Why do Normies always blame men for their lack of dating?
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I think the worst part is that if people knew the truth they would probably strive to change as long as people in mass knew the to truth. It would be pretty embarrassing if it was widespread knowledge that people have the potential to act this way and they do
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Lol what?
I don't know what to say to this. Yes having a partner helps with paying the bills. But the majority of people, let alone women, don't settle down with someone incompatible just to save money or to have more money. Maybe on the 18th century lol..
You're ignoring all the women who team up with a room mate or those who, like me, work a full time job and live relatively comfortably on their own.
Do you live in a really impoverished area or something where a lot of folks are on welfare?
You need to see this less from a social standpoint. What boxman is talking about is hypergamy, which is a biological fact. Women date upwards, and men date downwards. It's instinctually what women are attracted to. This is why women on dating sites, rate 80% of the men below average, while the men rates 50% of the women below average. It's not just coincidence, I could give you a thousand examples for why this is true.
Comparing MGTOW philosophy with feminism is not reasonable. All of feminism is built upon the idea of cultural programming(patriarchy), while the centerpiece in MGTOW philosophy is biology. The reason they get compared of course, is that sadly there's bound to be alot of angry pathetic men, looking for someone to blame in such a movement. Which is why I can't indentify with the label, even though I agree with some of them almost completely. But there's an equal amount of intelligent men just trying to figure stuff out.
For some men it's just too hard to stomach, just how different men and women really are. But it's not women's fault that they are so completely unreasonable(from the male perspective), since it's merely their biological instincts playing out. And it's not something women can control or understand either, because women will tell you how untrue this is, and then go out and act out the script to perfection. In the end, it's not something we will EVER be able to change, so it's a waste of one's resources to get angry or bitter.
It was more the women 'can't take care of themselves without welfare' suggestion that I was commenting on. I find these sweeping generalisations to be bizzare not the hypergamy philosophy itself.
What you say about the differences between MGTOW and feminism is interesting.
I'm going to warn you now. Don't. Just don't. Understand something about this Hurt. You have two options at this point and I mean it. You can take this advice rationalize in your head that you do want a partner before you die, go find a man who fits this exact description. And it doesn't matter if they are the one or if you met them in the coffee shop or while going to the bathroom pick one figure out within the first week if its going to potentially work and if not drop if so stick with it and make it work.
"I'm sure you all remember the dialogue, but it's Season 3, Episode 5 (Love and/or Marriage).
At one point, BoJack is talking to Taneisha in the bathroom. She asks if he means for her to "settle".
Yes, thank you, exactly. Settle. Because otherwise you're just gonna get older and harder, and more alone. And you're gonna do everything you can to fill that hole, with friends, and your career, and meaningless sex, but the hole doesn't get filled. And one day, you're gonna look around and you're gonna realize that everybody loves you...but nobody likes you. And that is the loneliest feeling in the world."
OR you can disregard this advice and get into this stupid biology redpill s**t that is pandora's box and will destroy you. You will realize that the world has lied to you, that your own mind has BS you for years, and come to understand just how pathetic and robotic almost every single woman who doesn't get married at a semi young age really is. And I mean that with a serious tone because this s**t is real. And it's mind shattering to a lot of guys(hence the anger) and even some women who read it. But if you want the truth like I said its just E mostly. Women feel things on a stronger level than men and society caters to it at a young age, it's always validated as true and because of that men who can manipulate those feelings to keep women on emotional highs are desired even tho its acutally emotional manipultion but ok rant over.
Just take my advice or don't and go google the best of the rational male year one and start with the hypergamy section while ur at it. But it will break your mind just a forewarning.
Yes, animated talking horses are the go-to source when you want the truth about relationships...
Lol what?
I don't know what to say to this. Yes having a partner helps with paying the bills. But the majority of people, let alone women, don't
settle down with someone incompatible just to save money or to have more money. Maybe on the 18th century lol..
You're ignoring all the women who team up with a room mate or those who, like me, work a full time job and live relatively comfortably on their own.
Do you live in a really impoverished area or something where a lot of folks are on welfare?
You need to see this less from a social standpoint. What boxman is talking about is hypergamy, which is a biological fact. Women date upwards, and men date downwards. It's instinctually what women are attracted to. This is why women on dating sites, rate 80% of the men below average, while the men rates 50% of the women below average. It's not just coincidence, I could give you a thousand examples for why this is true.
Comparing MGTOW philosophy with feminism is not reasonable. All of feminism is built upon the idea of cultural programming(patriarchy), while the centerpiece in MGTOW philosophy is biology. The reason they get compared of course, is that sadly there's bound to be alot of angry pathetic men, looking for someone to blame in such a movement. Which is why I can't indentify with the label, even though I agree with some of them almost completely. But there's an equal amount of intelligent men just trying to figure stuff out.
For some men it's just too hard to stomach, just how different men and women really are. But it's not women's fault that they are so completely unreasonable(from the male perspective), since it's merely their biological instincts playing out. And it's not something women can control or understand either, because women will tell you how untrue this is, and then go out and act out the script to perfection. In the end, it's not something we will EVER be able to change, so it's a waste of one's resources to get angry or bitter.
It was more the women 'can't take care of themselves without welfare' suggestion that I was commenting on. I find these sweeping generalisations to be bizzare not the hypergamy philosophy itself.
What you say about the differences between MGTOW and feminism is interesting.
I'm going to warn you now. Don't. Just don't. Understand something about this Hurt. You have two options at this point and I mean it. You can take this advice rationalize in your head that you do want a partner before you die, go find a man who fits this exact description. And it doesn't matter if they are the one or if you met them in the coffee shop or while going to the bathroom pick one figure out within the first week if its going to potentially work and if not drop if so stick with it and make it work.
"I'm sure you all remember the dialogue, but it's Season 3, Episode 5 (Love and/or Marriage).
At one point, BoJack is talking to Taneisha in the bathroom. She asks if he means for her to "settle".
Yes, thank you, exactly. Settle. Because otherwise you're just gonna get older and harder, and more alone. And you're gonna do everything you can to fill that hole, with friends, and your career, and meaningless sex, but the hole doesn't get filled. And one day, you're gonna look around and you're gonna realize that everybody loves you...but nobody likes you. And that is the loneliest feeling in the world."
OR you can disregard this advice and get into this stupid biology redpill s**t that is pandora's box and will destroy you. You will realize that the world has lied to you, that your own mind has BS you for years, and come to understand just how pathetic and robotic almost every single woman who doesn't get married at a semi young age really is. And I mean that with a serious tone because this s**t is real. And it's mind shattering to a lot of guys(hence the anger) and even some women who read it. But if you want the truth like I said its just E mostly. Women feel things on a stronger level than men and society caters to it at a young age, it's always validated as true and because of that men who can manipulate those feelings to keep women on emotional highs are desired even tho its acutally emotional manipultion but ok rant over.
Just take my advice or don't and go google the best of the rational male year one and start with the hypergamy section while ur at it. But it will break your mind just a forewarning.
Yes, animated talking horses are the go-to source when you want the truth about relationships...

Hahaha haha down vote and disregard the quote even if it's true. Just because it's from an animated show doesn't make it any worse. But continue to laugh I enjoy sheep like comments.
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Hahaha haha down vote and disregard the quote even if it's true. Just because it's from an animated show doesn't make it any worse. But continue to laugh I enjoy sheep like comments.
I'm not laughing at the cartoon, I'm laughing that you brought a cartoon into a deep political/philosophical debate and thought it had credibility in this scenario. It's like if I were going to quote South Park here, I love the show, but it's just that-- a comedy, and not well suited for intellectual discussion, such as this debate.
I dont know if a lot of aspie guys like this philosophy because it talks of "manipulating emotion".
They way other people behave is weird to aspies. We like 2 +2 to equal 4 and for things to be logical, cause and effect. So we're drawn to a philosophy that makes things logical. "Emotions are mad things that NTs are led by. If we learn to manipulate those emotions we can gain the upper hand in a world where we have felt lost for so long." one might say to oneself.
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Hurt, thank you for explaining (i can actually follow this thread now!)
If red pill is reality and blue pill is delusion, I would think red pill would be better in all cases (even in the matrix; wasn't that the point?)
I enjoy better understanding NT so i can better relate, but certainly not for manipulation purposes.
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If red pill is reality and blue pill is delusion, I would think red pill would be better in all cases (even in the matrix; wasn't that the point?).
Ah yes but what if the person handing you the red pill is deluded and is only offering a further distorted version of reality?
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If red pill is reality and blue pill is delusion, I would think red pill would be better in all cases (even in the matrix; wasn't that the point?).
Ah yes but what if the person handing you the red pill is deluded and is only offering a further distorted version of reality?
I think the red pill community relies on studies like this one http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/ ... ealth.html instead of what individuals say.
They think from big data perspective and judge the genders based on that.
But red pill is still an extremely depressing way to look at the world.
For a man to understand that the way he feels about his wife at it's max is never how she would feel about him, and that "she will never love you like your mother" that can destroy reality for those who believe it.
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If red pill is reality and blue pill is delusion, I would think red pill would be better in all cases (even in the matrix; wasn't that the point?).
Ah yes but what if the person handing you the red pill is deluded and is only offering a further distorted version of reality?
I think the red pill community relies on studies like this one http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/ ... ealth.html instead of what individuals say.
They think from big data perspective and judge the genders based on that.
That's not just it though. There's more to the red pill world than that. I'd say most NTs are focussed on material things. It's kind of obvious that money is a huge motivator.
But do most of us here want to live like that? I don't. I'd rather sidestep that rat race and have a peaceful life.
Yeah back to my point about what the red pill world is about. Focussing intensely on the negative. Taking the worst of society and applying it to all society and becoming bitter and fearful of affection because it could end in pain.
I actually know a lot of women who live like that too strangely enough. Who won't take a chance on trusting another because they've been burned or they've been told they'll get burned.
If red pill is reality and blue pill is delusion, I would think red pill would be better in all cases (even in the matrix; wasn't that the point?).
Ah yes but what if the person handing you the red pill is deluded and is only offering a further distorted version of reality?
I think the red pill community relies on studies like this one http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/ ... ealth.html instead of what individuals say.
They think from big data perspective and judge the genders based on that.
That's not just it though. There's more to the red pill world than that. I'd say most NTs are focussed on material things. It's kind of obvious that money is a huge motivator.
But do most of us here want to live like that? I don't. I'd rather sidestep that rat race and have a peaceful life.
Yeah back to my point about what the red pill world is about. Focussing intensely on the negative. Taking the worst of society and applying it to all society and becoming bitter and fearful of affection because it could end in pain.
I actually know a lot of women who live like that too strangely enough. Who won't take a chance on trusting another because they've been burned or they've been told they'll get burned.
That's not what it is about at all. It's about examining human behaviour and trying to figure out the truth. It just so happens that the truth seems to be quite "negative". I try not to view it as negative though.. You could say that it's quite negative that lions kill other animals, but that's what lions do, most of us don't have any emotional attatchment to the behaviour of lions. It just merely is.
It's not examining human behavior, it's examining the western philosophy of human nature. Why the distinction? There's two cultures that are matriarchal in nature in existence today and they operate nothing like what is described in the article. The study shows more about the culture the researchers came from than anything that's actually 'natural' and that's because nature isn't black and white, it's a whole host of competing strategies that are as varied as there are living organisms on the planet.
It's not examining human behavior, it's examining the western philosophy of human nature. Why the distinction? There's two cultures that are matriarchal in nature in existence today and they operate nothing like what is described in the article. The study shows more about the culture the researchers came from than anything that's actually 'natural' and that's because nature isn't black and white, it's a whole host of competing strategies that are as varied as there are living organisms on the planet.
I wasn't the one who linked the article, what I talked about was way beyond any one article. I disagree, hypergamy is present in every culture on the planet.
If red pill is reality and blue pill is delusion, I would think red pill would be better in all cases (even in the matrix; wasn't that the point?).
Ah yes but what if the person handing you the red pill is deluded and is only offering a further distorted version of reality?
I think the red pill community relies on studies like this one http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/ ... ealth.html instead of what individuals say.
They think from big data perspective and judge the genders based on that.
That's not just it though. There's more to the red pill world than that. I'd say most NTs are focussed on material things. It's kind of obvious that money is a huge motivator.
But do most of us here want to live like that? I don't. I'd rather sidestep that rat race and have a peaceful life.
Yeah back to my point about what the red pill world is about. Focussing intensely on the negative. Taking the worst of society and applying it to all society and becoming bitter and fearful of affection because it could end in pain.
I actually know a lot of women who live like that too strangely enough. Who won't take a chance on trusting another because they've been burned or they've been told they'll get burned.
That's not what it is about at all. It's about examining human behaviour and trying to figure out the truth. It just so happens that the truth seems to be quite "negative". I try not to view it as negative though.. You could say that it's quite negative that lions kill other animals, but that's what lions do, most of us don't have any emotional attatchment to the behaviour of lions. It just merely is.
You surely can't deny the fact that there are young men out there that are taking this information and fuelling their fears and making those fears worse. All they expect now is to be ill treated, lied to and tricked by women.
Even if you don't feel that way yourself, you can see comments like that on this forum and on red pill websites. "Don't get too involved with a woman because she'll just leech off your resources and dump you and leave you with nothing," seems to be a recurring theme.
If red pill is reality and blue pill is delusion, I would think red pill would be better in all cases (even in the matrix; wasn't that the point?).
Ah yes but what if the person handing you the red pill is deluded and is only offering a further distorted version of reality?
I think the red pill community relies on studies like this one http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/ ... ealth.html instead of what individuals say.
They think from big data perspective and judge the genders based on that.
That's not just it though. There's more to the red pill world than that. I'd say most NTs are focussed on material things. It's kind of obvious that money is a huge motivator.
But do most of us here want to live like that? I don't. I'd rather sidestep that rat race and have a peaceful life.
Yeah back to my point about what the red pill world is about. Focussing intensely on the negative. Taking the worst of society and applying it to all society and becoming bitter and fearful of affection because it could end in pain.
I actually know a lot of women who live like that too strangely enough. Who won't take a chance on trusting another because they've been burned or they've been told they'll get burned.
That's not what it is about at all. It's about examining human behaviour and trying to figure out the truth. It just so happens that the truth seems to be quite "negative". I try not to view it as negative though.. You could say that it's quite negative that lions kill other animals, but that's what lions do, most of us don't have any emotional attatchment to the behaviour of lions. It just merely is.
You surely can't deny the fact that there are young men out there that are taking this information and fuelling their fears and making those fears worse. All they expect now is to be ill treated, lied to and tricked by women.
Even if you don't feel that way yourself, you can see comments like that on this forum and on red pill websites. "Don't get too involved with a woman because she'll just leech off your resources and dump you and leave you with nothing," seems to be a recurring theme.
I definitely cannot deny that, but the reality is, the chance of that happening is very high. One does not need to look any further than divorce statistics to confirm that, and then we have other things we cannot measure like lying and cheating, which in my estimation are laughably common in relationships aswell. One thing you cannot say, is that the fear is irrational. I would rather expect the worst, and hope for the best. The worst kind of pain, is the one you didn't see coming after all.
It's not examining human behavior, it's examining the western philosophy of human nature. Why the distinction? There's two cultures that are matriarchal in nature in existence today and they operate nothing like what is described in the article. The study shows more about the culture the researchers came from than anything that's actually 'natural' and that's because nature isn't black and white, it's a whole host of competing strategies that are as varied as there are living organisms on the planet.
I wasn't the one who linked the article, what I talked about was way beyond any one article. I disagree, hypergamy is present in every culture on the planet.
Sorry, that's impossible in a matriarchal society, since in a matriarchal society the women do the decision making and hold most of the power. Again, western bias at play.
edit: I'd also change the username, anyone with even the remotest of intelligence has enough of it to not use words such as 'all', 'every', 'never', 'always', etc, when making an argument-- way to easy to find a single discrepancy, throwing the entire claim in the recycling bin even when it has an underpinning of truth to it.
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