Why are women so triggered by the friendzone?

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But why is having a dependant partner worse than being a dependent partner? I don't see any rational explanation for this.

Most men can't afford to have such standard, btw. For example, in my age and income range there's hardly any women at all.

Reminds of my previous neighbour. He was fit and pretty good looking, while his girlfriend looked like a blimp with arms and legs. I honestly couldn't help but laugh everytime I saw them together.

I don't know if you know this but "listen and believe" is not viable evidence. You and the court of public opinion might just assume every defendant is guilty without question, which is why it's good you're not a part of the justice system at least.

^ Men can change this reality by being more picky, to reject women on income and employment basis. If men do this in mass, things would be balanced (Women would have no choice but to adjust their financial expectations).

I think all those men movements should focus more on that part: men's standards had always been too low and forgiving when it comes to assets, we shall rise to women's levels. And also to promote the househusband/housebf role as well as an alternative life choice for men.

I like this idea.

What if the most compatible males for me already settled down with harpies, but won't leave for whatever reason. If they'd waited they could've had me instead

I'm 50% joking 50% serious lol.

Yet men are expected to do so. Women will only date someone on their income level or above. So they won't accept a man who makes less but they find being a dependent to a man who makes more. Hypocrisy

The man who makes less makes due with his current income, so it's only when the woman makes him live her lyfstile that now he can't affford it and would become a dependent. Solution don't make him live your lifestyle or modify your lifestyle for the one you love. Men have been doing this for thousands of years for women, why can't women do it for men? Bet your grandmas was a dependent. If not her mom definitely was. Women have only been working since 1920ish, and only since the 50/60 has women become more and more independent job wise. On,y last 20 years have women now started becoming more well paid then a lot of men. The ration is switching. I'm the next 30 years I imagine women will be where men were in the 1950s. If women don't start accepting lower paid men then they won't find men and our society will start to die off. It's already happening, there's way more long term single people today then 20 years ago. Women impowerment is killing our society. What I do t understand is why it does have to, but if women won't change their dating requirements to match the new reality it won't. This isn't the 19050s anymore a man doesn't have to make as much or more then you. A man is worth more then his income, women are princesses. Men are princes. Love is worth more the a billion dollars. Or trillion

I'll n very marry or mov in with a lady, if I get a gf I'll probably have to break up at a year to two years if she doesn't before then.
My income is limited it'll always be so, they haven't raised social security in 40 ish years.
I get the same amountish someone on it would got in 1980. But back then 700 dollars was worth a lot more. So women will always see me as dependent, mooch, etc. I won't have that. I won't take gifts, rides, I won't stay at her place, I won't eat her food, I won't accept anything she offers besides love and companionship. I will spend whatever few money I have on her though. Eventually I'll get an apartment and she can come stay for week or so at time, she could do so at my house now.

I like this idea.

What if the most compatible males for me already settled down with harpies, but won't leave for whatever reason. If they'd waited they could've had me instead

I'm 50% joking 50% serious lol.

^ Men can change this reality by being more picky, to reject women on income and employment basis. If men do this in mass, things would be balanced (Women would have no choice but to adjust their financial expectations).

I think all those men movements should focus more on that part: men's standards had always been too low and forgiving when it comes to assets, we shall rise to women's levels. And also to promote the househusband/housebf role as well as an alternative life choice for men.

I guess if you love the person you will make compromises.

That's the problem with online dating. There's no heart in it. It's a box checking exercise.

I know men who would rather be alone than support a woman. It's scary to give up security of your current life and add another perspective. I think people try and be a little logical about it. Money worries can add a lot of strain on a relationship.

I think you're more idealistic than the average person. Maybe you're too good and need someone less jaded than the average westerner. I imagine you with someone sweet and homely that likes to bake cookies. She'd make her own clothes and be thrifty, maybe have a little vegetable patch.

I guess if you love the person you will make compromises.

That's the problem with online dating. There's no heart in it. It's a box checking exercise.

I know men who would rather be alone than support a woman. It's scary to give up security of your current life and add another perspective. I think people try and be a little logical about it. Money worries can add a lot of strain on a relationship.

I think you're more idealistic than the average person. Maybe you're too good and need someone less jaded than the average westerner. I imagine you with someone sweet and homely that likes to bake cookies. She'd make her own clothes and be thrifty, maybe have a little vegetable patch.

That's the entire problem right there, idealism. I truly believe men are generally alot more idealistic when it comes to love, while women are generally more opportunistic. That's what breaks my heart, because I am incredibly(or used to be anyway)idealistic. I used to write poetry and stupid love songs.

The one time that really shattered my idealism was when I had a talk with my grandma. I used to look at my grandma as the one true example I had of a woman capable of idealistic love. My grandma and grandpa were together for 50 years, and always seemed like they had an unbreakable love for eachother. When my grandpa died, my grandma admitted to me that she had cheated on him several times... I couldn't believe it. So much for love..
My grandma is a cheater and a liar, so is my mom, my sister, my cousins, my ex girlfriends, my friends ex girlfriends...
Kind of hard to keep the idealistic torch lit.

Money being so awfully important equally breaks my heart. I am in college right now, but once I finish my degree I am fairly confident I'll be able to earn a decent living. I won't end up poor, that's not the issue. The issue is the thought, that if I that wasn't the case, then that makes me unloveable apparently. My degree is more important than who I am as a human being. That just makes me not care. If idealistic love cannot exist, then I don't want it at all.
The reality of love sounds like a f*****g bussiness transaction to me.

But anyways, I won't bother going on about this, it turns into a crossfire and we cannot have a reasonable discussion on this forum. I don't think anyone noticed, but I didn't ever throw insults at anyone here. But people find what I post offensive, and then use that as justification to throw insults my way. f*****g pathetic.

I am f*****g done.

Love is just a business transaction. Women are the boss and we're the applicants. They want a man with potential and income growth. If you get a good job that's just the start they'll want you to keep getting promotions and making more it's a investment. Tons of stuff online about women complaining their bf lacks ambition and isn't climbing the corporate ladder and his want to leave him. Not all women but it seems most.

The more cynical part of me says use them like they want to use you. If you get a good job date bunch of women never settling down. The idealist in me wants to believe in love but it doesn't exist. Mind you most women will trick themselves into believing they love you but it's really your money and status. You might find a good one though. Lots of women also complain they guy works all the time and thus cheat on him too. That's how you make good money you work all the time.

I dont know I have some mean ideas if I ever win the lottery, take them on a romantic date then show off my car and leave hem to pay lol

Love is just a business transaction. Women are the boss and we're the applicants. They want a man with potential and income growth. If you get a good job that's just the start they'll want you to keep getting promotions and making more it's a investment. Tons of stuff online about women complaining their bf lacks ambition and isn't climbing the corporate ladder and his want to leave him. Not all women but it seems most.

The more cynical part of me says use them like they want to use you. If you get a good job date bunch of women never settling down. The idealist in me wants to believe in love but it doesn't exist. Mind you most women will trick themselves into believing they love you but it's really your money and status. You might find a good one though. Lots of women also complain they guy works all the time and thus cheat on him too. That's how you make good money you work all the time.

I dont know I have some mean ideas if I ever win the lottery, take them on a romantic date then show off my car and leave hem to pay lol

We got a little far off the nature and meaning of friend zone, didn't we? It seems like people base a lot of their views of this issue on personal feelings about their individual situation.

I think everyone could come together under the banner of: I've got problems, too! Instead, people prefer: you're the problem that's killing me! Ain't no way to unify under that.

So if you actually finally met someone interested in you, you would take them on a date and just ditch them...to get back at women who love money and status? Seems kind of self defeating....