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03 Oct 2017, 12:13 am

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What if some humans are actually descended from bonobos? What if I'm a bonobo-breed, and that's why I have all these cuh-raaazy ideas about sex and gender and stuff?

Mmm.... no, not possible, it's a different genus.

Your craziness is probably due to the consumption of too much mushrooms.

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03 Oct 2017, 12:23 am

Chronos wrote:

Tim_Tex wrote:

When someone states that “men are pigs/jerks” because of bad relationships, what would that be considered?

Same statement, but about women?

It's still misandry and the parallel statement about women is still misogyny.

What if I find little pigs cute and I say "all women are little pigs" ?

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03 Oct 2017, 12:29 am

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:

Chronos wrote:

Tim_Tex wrote:

When someone states that “men are pigs/jerks” because of bad relationships, what would that be considered?

Same statement, but about women?

It's still misandry and the parallel statement about women is still misogyny.

What if I find little pigs cute and I say "all women are little pigs" ?

I don't know why pigs get such a bad rap. They're actually pretty smart animals.

Talk about discrimination..

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03 Oct 2017, 12:52 am

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It's legal to kill anyone in self defense in the U.S., however the scope in which the self defense defense applies is very narrow

Actually, the scope of self defense is a lot wider in US than in Europe.

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03 Oct 2017, 2:57 am

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1/4 women in the military have been raped, compared to 1/6 women in the general population. The military has a huge HUGE problem with rape that no one in the higher ranks ever wants to talk about. Yes, the military is absolutely a misogynistic institution.

Yes, absolutely. I don't know how I could have forgotten to add this to my post.

I've read some horrible reports.

Maybe because men who are violent and macho are more likely to join the army, after all it's a job that requires killing.

Was the breakdown study per army department? Any difference between infantry, navy, air force...etc?

The Israeli army has a lot of women, I wonder if it is as high there.

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03 Oct 2017, 3:13 am

Btw the official rape statistics are actually closer to 1 in 50 according to the U.S bureau of justice statistics.

Definitely not 1 in 6 like mushroomprincess claims.

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03 Oct 2017, 6:50 am

Ok....there's something just happened raging the news in my country:

http://english.alarabiya.net/en/variety ... women.html

This is the head of the Lebanese Office for Combating Cyber Crime and Protecting Intellectual Property, and just lost her job because she liked an insulting tweet by a local comedian.

The 'joke' tweet said (Translated):
"The news about the driving decree in Saudi Arabia are incomplete, as it allowed Saudi women to drive only if the car is booby-trapped"

Some are claiming she was dismissed because of misogyny...?

but I find her "Like" on the tweet (by the comedian) as irresponsible, she publicly agreed on an insult to all women of friend country while she is in a formal state position.

So is this misogyny? :lol:

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03 Oct 2017, 7:06 am

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:

So is this misogyny? :lol:

You mean the tweet/her like on it or the firing of her?

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03 Oct 2017, 7:28 am

magz wrote:

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:

So is this misogyny? :lol:

You mean the tweet/her like on it or the firing of her?

The firing of her because of her Like for this tweet.

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03 Oct 2017, 9:29 am

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:

magz wrote:

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:

So is this misogyny? :lol:

You mean the tweet/her like on it or the firing of her?

The firing of her because of her Like for this tweet.

Well, as it is presented, she wasn't fired because she was a woman but because she did something stupid. So, for my standards, it is not a sign of misogyny.
But I may not know the whole story. Politics is too complex for me.

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03 Oct 2017, 11:28 am

magz wrote:

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:

magz wrote:

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:

So is this misogyny? :lol:

You mean the tweet/her like on it or the firing of her?

The firing of her because of her Like for this tweet.

According to her story, she pressed Like then she removed it - but someone screenshoted her Like and posted it; which caused uproar (from saudis, especially saudi women) and diplomatic jeopardy with the kingdom - because she's of a senior official position.

She is not a regular citizen like the comedian, and in no position to insult a non-enemy country no matter how we disagree with their ways.

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03 Oct 2017, 11:45 am

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:

According to her story, she pressed Like the she removed the Like - but someone screenshoted her Like and posted it; which caused uproar (from saudis, especially saudi women) and diplomatic jeopardy with the kingdom - because she's of a senior official position.

She is not a regular citizen like the comedian, and in no position to insult a non-enemy country no matter how we disagree with their ways.

I agree, as a public persona she should be way more cautious in such a situation.
I see nothing misogynic about punishing her for this. She got in trouble because of being a politician, not because of being a woman.

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03 Oct 2017, 3:56 pm

Closet Genious wrote:

Btw the official rape statistics are actually closer to 1 in 50 according to the U.S bureau of justice statistics.

Definitely not 1 in 6 like mushroomprincess claims.

I can't explain the disparity between these two statistics, but I'm more inclined to believe RAINN, because RAINN specializes in rape awareness and prevention. I'm not saying the BJS are incompetent, or that their authority in criminal statistics should be disregarded, but they're kind of a "jack of all trades, master of none" in this case.

Also, this is completely subjective, but I've known enough rape survivors in my life that I just can't believe it would be as low as 1 in 50. My guess is that the BJS is only counting cases of rape which resulted in conviction for the offender (remember that two thirds of rapes are never reported).

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03 Oct 2017, 4:40 pm

MushroomPrincess wrote:

Closet Genious wrote:

Btw the official rape statistics are actually closer to 1 in 50 according to the U.S bureau of justice statistics.

Definitely not 1 in 6 like mushroomprincess claims.

If anything, that only makes them less credible, it honestly sounds like advocacy resarch. Especially when their number is 1000% bigger than BJS. BJS is the gold standard.

It's not possible to have statistics if it is not reported. That literally makes no sense.

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03 Oct 2017, 5:50 pm

Closet Genious wrote:

Out of all women surveyed by RAINN, 1 out of 6 claim to have been raped. If you don't believe the 1-in-6 statistic, then you either believe that the subjects are lying about being raped, or you believe that advocacy groups are fudging the statistics to make rape seem like a bigger problem in our society than it actually is. These are misogynistic narratives.

Just because a crime isn't reported to law enforcement doesn't mean it didn't happen.

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03 Oct 2017, 5:55 pm

The 1 in 4 college survey you're probably referring to was about sexual harrassement of any kind, this may vary from a forced kiss to rape.

If humanity has 1 in 4 or 1 in 6 rape rate then we should self nuke.

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