Will I have to become what I hate?

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Marknis, from what I can glean you are a noble person in an evil world. I'm right there with you. At times like this I find solace in the lyrics of Manowar's Fighting the World. You have to take a stand against the world and shoulder your burdens with courage, which is where all lesser virtues spring.

"One who stands tall never stands alone" - Manowar - El Gringo

Manowar?



It would be interesting if humans had tentacles like Manowars. I love sea creatures. /tangent

Manowar.

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Yeah figured it was a band, but I love the sea creatures so decided to post it anyway.

Hahaha! My hypothetical wife can deny me sex all she wants. Oh, how naive of her! Because not only do I have no desire for sex, I find the notion of having sex utterly disgusting. Foreplay too. So I can imagine how funny it'll be, when she keeps saying "not tonight, honey" for months on end, and I tell her "meh, whatever" or even "whew! what a relief!".

Hey, women are the gatekeepers of sex. But when a man wants nothing to do with sex, there's nothing to gatekeep.

Of course, Jewish law would require me to have sex with my wife against my will. Thank god I'm atheist (ha!), and single. According to the Torah, sex is a wife's right---but not a husband's! Which means men's wants don't matter at all.
#MGTOW #Atheism

Jewish law is awesome, though! lol

Smart women won’t withhold sex, though. The very first commandment of Torah is “Be fruitful and multiply.” I can handle it if it’s the woman’s initiative. But, like, NEVER? That’s a dealbreaker.

Is that really Torah? I know it’s tradition, but for all I know that’s Talmud, not Torah. I’ve read the Bible a few times and I don’t recall seeing that. I’ll have to peruse Leviticus a few times to be sure...

He didn't encourage me to date and actually told me I shouldn't focus on girls. He made me stay in my room or only included me in social outings that only he was interested in. While this was happening, he was building a web of mistresses. He also succeeded at dating sites while I failed but a lot of that had to do with him being a doctor and having a lot of money.

"Talmud" is correct. Talmud is also known as the Oral Torah. It consists of three parts: Shabbat laws, kosher laws, and sexual laws. As a whole, it expounds on the Written Torah, which is the same as the Pentateuch (first five Biblical books). In which case, you won't find this particular information in Leviticus. On a side note, while the Pentateuch is mostly PG-rated, the Talmud gets very sexually explicit in some parts.

And honestly, I'd much prefer if my hypothetical wife never initiated sex. Sure, I'll give her a hug from time to time, and even find a way of enjoy it. But sex? I just can't! Not even for her sake. Get it away from me!

Hahah! I can’t tell you what to do. Not everyone is cut out for relationships. There’s no shame in that, either. You might even be better off than most of us, because many of my experiences leading up to marriage, family, and all that goes with it were not fun. Excruciating at times, honestly. I’m not here to judge you! lol

I seem to recall a discussion among the sages with regard to...erm...something really disgusting regarding little girls that we can’t discuss here. I’m not Jewish, don’t hate Jews, but even bringing it up might be considered anti-Semitic among certain PC types. Historical context should count for something, I guess.

Talmud is valuable in terms of Hebraic logic and thought. But the OT and Talmud weren’t written with future Christian goyim in mind. The practical wisdom of the OT is awesome. But so much of the law concerning righteousness and Hebrew identity can’t even be possibly applied anymore. If you are a serious Christian, you really have to be careful with how you regard the OT. Great for ethics. Great practical advice. You don’t even have to be a theist to reap the benefits of that part. AWESOME on Messianic prophecy and foundations for faith and theology. NOT GOOD for Christians seeking reconciliation with our Creator. Any Christian who puts undue emphasis on OT righteousness or misappropriates scripture is no better than the Pharisees of Jesus’ day.

This sounds like supersessionism---believing that the New Testament superseded the Old Testament, rendering some of its parts irrelevant. Fair enough. But it's interesting how OT's parts were selected for supersession. For example, many modern Christians quote "Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination." (Lev. 18:22, KJV) and believe it. But they have no problem eating pork, despite "And the pig, though it has a divided hoof, does not chew the cud; it is unclean for you." (Lev. 11:7, NIV).

This isn't meant to be a critique of the Bible, Judaism, or Christianity. As an atheist, I have no dog in that fight. But still.

I don’t advocate supercessionism.

Even Jews will tell you as a Gentile all you need are the Laws of Noah. Their laws are divided up into standard law-and-order, which tend to be flexible; Hebrew identity laws (such as the dietary laws, tassels, etc.), and righteousness (purity, temple worship, etc.). I’m not Jewish, so identity laws don’t apply. Temple worship ended with its destruction, so I can’t offer sacrifices.

As a Christian and a foreigner, exactly what am I supposed to do?

Well, what exactly was the spirit of all God-given law? Can I follow that at least? Well, love God with all your being. Ok, I can love God. And love your fellow man as you love yourself. Ok, no problem. The first of the Decalogue deals with what loving God looks like; the majority of it deals with the relationships between people. And a lot of Torah does deal with the same interpersonal relationships. So love God, love people, and you’ve got all of what the OT was supposed to be about.

The law represents separation between humanity and God. It functions to cover up sin, not remove sin. The ancient Israelites were justified by faith in what God promised for the future. Christians believe God already fulfilled that promise. If Jesus saves us, what now? Love God, love people. Don’t make trouble for anyone. Not because those actions save you, but because we desire to do what pleases God.

The OT is a matter of following your conscience. If the OT is necessary for righteousness, then it has to be followed completely without fail...which is impossible.

Possible or not, though, I still think the OT is awesome. The whole Tanakh, too, not just Torah.

Sounds like all parents of teenage kids. Your dad seems like a dick, but you have a really bad habit of blaming other people for everything. There is only one person who has full control over your life and he's in the mirror.



It just sounds like your dick dad is a complete embarrassment, didn't steal any potential women off you.

He is indeed a dick. All that is on his mind is "My dick goes where?" when he sees a woman. He does wonder why his mistresses get mad when they find out he has a sex carousel but he refuses to learn. Total case of applying the same process and hoping for a different result.

His mistresses are mainly gold diggers as well as attention seekers. I just hate how it's so easy for him to go through the social world while my invitation got lost in the mail.

I think you're right. You'll have to become like ordinary men IF you're looking for an ordinary woman. And I don't know about you, but I hate ordinary...

Looking for a needle in a haystack there, basically.

Easy if you have a good magnet?

Quirky ND women are great, but don't forget that they're women too. And, like other heterosexual women, they like masculine traits in their partners.