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02 Jan 2019, 9:49 am

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I wonder how closely Lonely Guy Syndrome™ is related to Nice Guy Syndrome™ ... ?

Seriously, it's one thing to be lonely, and it's quite another to be openly hostile about it.

Yeah sure, I'd say being hostile towards people who are not interested in you and holding that against them is a sign of lower intelligence and self-awareness. Unfortunately though, statistically speaking, some lonely guys are also going to have low intelligence and low self-awareness.

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02 Jan 2019, 9:52 am

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I don’t like that MGTOW, MRA, Pill stuff myself....but they have a right to their views....as long as they don’t troll.
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The ones the Mods were focused in were Incels (not incels or MRAs, or Red Pill, etc.).

Yes, that's true. But because these movements are very new---Red Pill started 7 years ago, MGTOW 5 years ago, and I don't know about MRA and Incel (capital I)---they're poorly understood by the general public. (Unlike, say, feminism, which started more than 50 years ago.) So they get lumped into one movement, usually the most dangerous or scandalous one. Which means a blanket ban.

Incel (small I) is not even a movement, but a concise descriptor of a life situation. It used to be "invcel", but became "incel", due to the difficulty of enunciating three consonants in a row. Soon, the term got hijacked by the wrong people, causing it to become controversial.

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02 Jan 2019, 9:55 am

People who feel rejected by women don't MAKE FRIENDS with women.....don't confide in them, or allow women to confide in them.

So they don't learn about women, so they separate themselves from women even more.

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02 Jan 2019, 9:57 am

The Grand Inquisitor wrote:

Fnord wrote:

I wonder how closely Lonely Guy Syndrome™ is related to Nice Guy Syndrome™ ... ?

Seriously, it's one thing to be lonely, and it's quite another to be openly hostile about it.

If you want my opinion, giving ND guys advice that results in massive rejections (and also claiming that they should handle those rejections better) is a good way to create monsters and misogyny. Both the Incel and Nice Guy types. You get what you plant.

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02 Jan 2019, 9:59 am

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They don't MAKE FRIENDS with women.....don't confide in them, or allow women to confide in them.

So they don't learn about women, so they separate themselves from women.

For some of them at least, it's likely a case of most women not wanting to be friends with them. It wouldn't surprise me if a lot of them are social outcasts who were made fun of by their female peers in high school.

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02 Jan 2019, 10:00 am

envirozentinel wrote:

Related to the members of a specific toxic website which we receieved word about that some of them might try and spam/troll this one. But it seems only one troll appeared here, fell into the net and was shown the door. There's no agenda against lonely guys who could fall in the various categories.

It was very reassuring to read this. Thank you for clarifying.

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02 Jan 2019, 10:01 am

Aspie1, Thank you for that info about the sub groups, I didn't know most of the terminology until very recently.

As stated before, there are no new rules.

Perhaps XFG's original post did come across as a bit hostile, but bear in mind that tact isn't a strong point in the case of many of us on the spectrum.

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02 Jan 2019, 10:03 am

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They don't MAKE FRIENDS with women.....don't confide in them, or allow women to confide in them.

So they don't learn about women, so they separate themselves from women.

I see a problem with that. I think my natural state is that I don't make friends with women. I mostly see them as potential partners. Still, that doesn't mean I hate women. I tend to see women as wonderful creatures, but then, I never was mass-rejected by women for "asking them out" when they had no interest in me. I kind of think that describes the difference between loving women (putting them on a pedestal) and hating them.

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02 Jan 2019, 10:04 am

rdos wrote:

The Grand Inquisitor wrote:

Fnord wrote:

I wonder how closely Lonely Guy Syndrome™ is related to Nice Guy Syndrome™ ... ?

Seriously, it's one thing to be lonely, and it's quite another to be openly hostile about it.

Yeah, I can see that, especially if those rejections are the sum of their experience with women, ie never accompanied by any kind of acceptance or validation. Rejection is a part of trying to date though, unfortunately, and if no one wants to be with you, you're inevitably going to suffer regardless.

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02 Jan 2019, 10:04 am

I know how that feels. I was scorned, ignored, bullied, etc by girls and women for a long time.

Fortunately, most people, including women, grow up in their 20s. The high school stuff is left behind, frequently, both for the bullies and the bullied.

I would say: start with a clean slate when you're in your 20s.

Women are PEOPLE....MAKE FRIENDS WITH THEM!!

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02 Jan 2019, 10:05 am

Even the best-looking, model, NT sorts of guys (and gals) have to live with at least some rejection.

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02 Jan 2019, 10:06 am

envirozentinel wrote:

... Perhaps XFG's original post did come across as a bit hostile, but bear in mind that tact isn't a strong point in the case of many of us on the spectrum.

I think she was showing a great deal of restraint, especially under the circumstances.

Sometimes, the only way to deal with hostility is with hostility, especially when trying to motivate the general public to a worthy cause.

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02 Jan 2019, 10:09 am

kraftiekortie wrote:

Even the best-looking, model, NT sorts of guys (and gals) have to live with at least some rejection.

For most people, some rejection isn't a problem. It's when rejection is the only response you ever get to asking people out that there's a problem. When the best outcome you can hope for when asking someone out is tbat the rejection is tactful, when that's your best case scenario, that's a problem.

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02 Jan 2019, 10:10 am

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Rejection is a part of trying to date though, unfortunately, and if no one wants to be with you, you're inevitably going to suffer regardless.

Not at all. Rejection is part of not being able to read if a woman is interested in you or not. Most typical men don't suffer a lot of rejection simply because they never make moves on women that don't have any kind of interest in them. So, when you give the typical ND guy the advice "just try a little harder and stopping whining about getting rejected" you basically set him up for hating women. The useful advice to give would be "make sure you always know a woman is interested before you make any sort of move on her".

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02 Jan 2019, 10:16 am

rdos wrote:

The Grand Inquisitor wrote:

Rejection is a part of trying to date though, unfortunately, and if no one wants to be with you, you're inevitably going to suffer regardless.

Not at all. Rejection is part of not being able to read if a woman is interested in you or not...

... which is part of dating.

Even moreso, rejection is simply a part of living, and has nothing to do with how you 'read' another person, but with how other people read you.

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02 Jan 2019, 10:19 am

kraftiekortie wrote:

Women are PEOPLE....MAKE FRIENDS WITH THEM!!

I guess for me personally, there are two barriers in that regard. First off, I don't feel happy with myself and I'm quite self-conscious about my body, and I don't really feel I can make the best impression on women considering the circumstances. Secondly, I'd have to actively seek out ways to meet women, as with everything I do with my time so far, it's highly unlikely that I'm going to meet women organically.

These problems aren't insurmountable, but they will require specific actions on my behalf to be neutralized.

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