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23 Jun 2019, 8:08 am

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I think most of the claims of the OP are wrong. I don't think women tend to get more bi or lesbian as they age, and I know for sure that gender identities are very fluid in early teenage, but stabilize towards "normality" as men and women get into their 20s. The only relevant trait here that is rather stable is asexuality.

I would suggest that the claim that women's sexuality is more fluid is completely wrong. I would likewise suggest that it is completely wrong that women like sexual intercourse to the same degree as men do. And I think this is the major reason why women are turned off by sex in the traditional way and get into lesbian and gender queer identities. Women no longer have to accept that sexual intercourse is a requirement in a relationship, and I'm sure this is a major reason why many men that are "undatable" will end up as not having sex.

When we talk about online dating it should be noted that many women don't participate there, and the one's that do and enjoy hookups naturally can get a higher value mate than they would for a LTR. That doesn't mean that a few men monopolize all the women. Many available women simply are not into online dating.


How do you know that women don’t like sex as much as men do?

Men often don’t know how to please a female partner but that doesn’t mean we like it any less. We probably aren’t as willing to have unsatisfying sex in this day and age.

Of course, I’m sure you know more about female sexuality than we do. :roll:



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23 Jun 2019, 8:41 am

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I think most of the claims of the OP are wrong. I don't think women tend to get more bi or lesbian as they age, and I know for sure that gender identities are very fluid in early teenage, but stabilize towards "normality" as men and women get into their 20s. The only relevant trait here that is rather stable is asexuality.

I would suggest that the claim that women's sexuality is more fluid is completely wrong. I would likewise suggest that it is completely wrong that women like sexual intercourse to the same degree as men do. And I think this is the major reason why women are turned off by sex in the traditional way and get into lesbian and gender queer identities. Women no longer have to accept that sexual intercourse is a requirement in a relationship, and I'm sure this is a major reason why many men that are "undatable" will end up as not having sex.

When we talk about online dating it should be noted that many women don't participate there, and the one's that do and enjoy hookups naturally can get a higher value mate than they would for a LTR. That doesn't mean that a few men monopolize all the women. Many available women simply are not into online dating.


How do you know that women don’t like sex as much as men do?

Men often don’t know how to please a female partner but that doesn’t mean we like it any less. We probably aren’t as willing to have unsatisfying sex in this day and age.

Of course, I’m sure you know more about female sexuality than we do. :roll:


Actually, I do know a lot more about female sexuality than many individual women do. I mean, it's mostly women into typical sex & that variation in positions is all there is to sex that argues that women's sexuality is the same as mens. The rather substantial amount of women that identify as asexual so they don't have to indulge in this activity will not engage in these discussions. Surveys I've made using 1000s of participants indicate that women are twice as likely to claim to be asexual as men. ND women are many times more likely to identify as asexual than NTs. The same goes for bi- and homosexuality, and for non-cis gender identities. All in all, women have adopted a wide set of approaches to avoid having to participate in regular sexual intercourse.

Yet, I'm not claiming that many women actually dislike sex. They only dislike the way our culture thinks sex should be practiced in. Which do relate to porn as porn is typically about men's sexual preferences and not womens. So, I think that if society & men listened more to women's sexual preferences, less men would be sexless. And especially ND men.

Personally, I've found that the best sex is between minds, and not primarily a bodily activity. Which I suspect many ND women actually would agree with.



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23 Jun 2019, 8:46 am

Fewer women would probably claim to be asexual if men were more knowledgeable about how to please them.



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23 Jun 2019, 8:49 am

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Well is anyone else curious to know how Boo's lunch date went?

let's hope we find out before this thread get's locked :)


Why would it get locked? I don't expect anyone to beg to have their thread locked just because someone got butthurt over nothing and is still whining after the not-actually defamatory posts got edited to deal with their tender feels. :roll:


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23 Jun 2019, 8:51 am

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Fewer women would probably claim to be asexual if men were more knowledgeable about how to please them.

If someone isn't doing a good job pleasing you sexually, why wouldn't you try communicating with them about it before resorting to asexuality?



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23 Jun 2019, 8:56 am

The Grand Inquisitor wrote:
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Fewer women would probably claim to be asexual if men were more knowledgeable about how to please them.

If someone isn't doing a good job pleasing you sexually, why wouldn't you try communicating with them about it before resorting to asexuality?


I haven’t suggested that women don’t.



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23 Jun 2019, 8:59 am

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Fewer women would probably claim to be asexual if men were more knowledgeable about how to please them.


I notice that you are using "possession" language. If women want to get more pleasure out of sex they will need to communicate their desires and then the men might want to try it.

Still, the issue with asexuality is not in positions or alternative ways to have sexual intercourse, but in adopting completely different methods of having sex. I think the proof for that is that asexuality is a stable trait that doesn't increase or decrease with age, which is inconsistent with it being an issue of knowledge of how to please a woman.



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23 Jun 2019, 8:59 am

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AND men will chase after a woman who is hot, even if she is a complete racist nut job...

https://www.cracked.com/blog/4-things-i ... file-ever/


Well she certainly is "hot" no dispute there, but how is she racist? she's looking for men who like women aged 19-60!


The picture in the profile looks much like one of my good friends, except she has blonde hair. She is living with another good friend of mine. They are a perfect match except in sports, as they support opposite teams sometimes and that can lead to issues. She has anger control problems when one of her sports teams loses. He has learned to deal with it day by day, but there are times he cannot say a word about the game or risk having a very bad night. I would not want to be in his position for all the money in the world, as I like to be able to converse freely with others.



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23 Jun 2019, 9:00 am

Twilightprincess wrote:
The Grand Inquisitor wrote:
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Fewer women would probably claim to be asexual if men were more knowledgeable about how to please them.

If someone isn't doing a good job pleasing you sexually, why wouldn't you try communicating with them about it before resorting to asexuality?


I haven’t suggested that women don’t.

Okay, well from the way you said that it seems like you expect men should be knowledgeable about female sexual pleasure by default. I'd think that most men would be interested in pleasuring their partners and would be open to suggestion, so if communication occurs and this gets rectified then there's not much of a reason to claim you're asexual unless you actually are.



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23 Jun 2019, 9:04 am

rdos wrote:
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Fewer women would probably claim to be asexual if men were more knowledgeable about how to please them.


I notice that you are using "possession" language. If women want to get more pleasure out of sex they will need to communicate their desires and then the men might want to try it.

Still, the issue with asexuality is not in positions or alternative ways to have sexual intercourse, but in adopting completely different methods of having sex. I think the proof for that is that asexuality is a stable trait that doesn't increase or decrease with age, which is inconsistent with it being an issue of knowledge of how to please a woman.


Just because one communicates his or her desires doesn’t mean that it will lead to satisfying sex.


There’s no way that you can measure asexuality with any validity. You’re relying on self reporting only. I would’ve reported myself as being asexual during a long stretch of my life but I’m not. Female sexuality can be a complex force.



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23 Jun 2019, 9:09 am

The Grand Inquisitor wrote:
Twilightprincess wrote:
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Fewer women would probably claim to be asexual if men were more knowledgeable about how to please them.

If someone isn't doing a good job pleasing you sexually, why wouldn't you try communicating with them about it before resorting to asexuality?


I haven’t suggested that women don’t.

Okay, well from the way you said that it seems like you expect men should be knowledgeable about female sexual pleasure by default. I'd think that most men would be interested in pleasuring their partners and would be open to suggestion, so if communication occurs and this gets rectified then there's not much of a reason to claim you're asexual unless you actually are.


Men do need to have some knowledge to avoid hurting their partners, especially when the girl is inexperienced.



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23 Jun 2019, 9:18 am

Twilightprincess wrote:
Just because one communicates his or her desires doesn’t mean that it will lead to satisfying sex.


Of course not. Your partner might not want to engage in the activity, you might not be able to explain it properly so he understands what to do and a million other reasons.

Not to mention that many NDs probably have no idea what kind of sex they find satisfying.

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There’s no way that you can measure asexuality with any validity. You’re relying on self reporting only. I would’ve reported myself as being asexual during a long stretch of my life but I’m not. Female sexuality can be a complex force.


I would likewise claim I was asexual, even if I know I'm hypersexual. The reason for that is that I strongly dislike typical sex, and especially the part about learning positions and what satisfies typical women.

This only proves my point. Human sexuality (and not just female) is not at all as simple as we think.



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23 Jun 2019, 9:32 am

cyberdad wrote:
Well is anyone else curious to know how Boo's lunch date went?

let's hope we find out before this thread get's locked :)



It went well, will see her again on a Wednesday event.



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23 Jun 2019, 10:10 am

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Too much porn causes erectile dysfunction in men...
No, it just causes dark circles under the eyes, hair to grow on the palms, and an increase in nervous behavior.

:roll: See? I know a few myths too!



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23 Jun 2019, 11:02 am

Fnord wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
Too much porn causes erectile dysfunction in men...
No, it just causes dark circles under the eyes, hair to grow on the palms, and an increase in nervous behavior.

:roll: See? I know a few myths too!


Your post is as usual hostile, belittling, ridiculous and frankly ignorant.

Google porn-induced ED, there’s a growing number of studies (with mixed results) on the subject and you will find countless men telling how it was like before vs after quitting porn.

Here you go:
https://www.em-consulte.com/article/1074113



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23 Jun 2019, 1:30 pm

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In my humble opinion, a return to a traditional lifestyle world be a disaster for everybody except for the types who support such a lifestyle. I don't.


It would be lousy.

I like progress and the ability to have a voice.


I think "traditional" can mean different things to different people. From what I recall, you've said that you grew up in a very sex segregated cult with rigidly defined rules and punishments for male and female.

Other "traditional" roles aren't that black and white or that restrictive. My Dad grew up on a farm and most of his now elderly relatives are still farmers. His ancestors were farmers. Farm families from where he's from had "traditional" roles for men and women. I can tell you with certainty that the women in my Dad's family have a voice and the roles compliment each other such that the families as a whole prosper and have done so for generations. Are the women regarded as subordinate? Oh my gosh, no. They're absolutely considered equals. The women can step up and do many of the kinds of "men's" work if needed; conversely, most of the men in my Dad's family wouldn't be able to cook at such a high level or sew or quilt like the women are capable of. The women run the household and often the financial aspects of the farm business along with their husbands. No voice? Far far from it. Their talent, knowledge, versatility and toughness is awe inspiring. Years ago, one of my Dad's aunts had a tooth that was giving her terrible pain. Dentist? Nope. She took a pliers and pulled her own tooth out of her head. Tough as nails. Women are respected as equals in my family and always have been even with my older female relatives and those from prior generations mastering and living wonderfully in their "traditional" role.


I just happen to like progress. I like that people aren’t segregated so much based on gender - that we don’t have to conform to masculine or feminine roles. I like that women have access to birth control and abortions if need be. I like that there’s gay rights. I just like living in the present time period.

I realize that my experience of “traditional roles” may be stricter than somebody else’s, but I still like progress and nonconformity over the idea of “tradition.” When I hear that word, my gut reaction is to fight against it. I hear “Tradition!!” from Fiddler on the Roof resounding in my ears. LOL

I’m also a person of my generation, I think. I don’t like the word “conservative,” either.


I agree with everything that TP said except for the part about abortion because I'm staunchly Pro-Life. Even though I disagree about abortion, I respect the opinion that she has about the topic.


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