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25 Feb 2020, 1:05 pm

I'm speechless. I'm tired of being nothing but an ego boost. I don't want women spreading lies about my sexuality, it's pretty simple. How the hell would you not find this offensive? It's like writing off someone's entire human experience just to feel better for a minute.

I know gay people who want nothing to do with autistic loserdom & I know straight guys on the spectrum who plainly aren't happy being treated like someone we aren't.

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25 Feb 2020, 1:13 pm

tl;dr NT women want to turn the tables on historical discrimination & the scapegoats are us. So go ahead, remain brutal. Good for you.

Sincerely, a guy who's not convinced of brutality's advantages.


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25 Feb 2020, 9:46 pm

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I think Tiana is being nice to everybody. She's having a tough time relating but so do we all sometimes. Since she doesn't seem malicious, let's see what else...

I wonder what Tiana thinks AS men want? Or AS women? This could lead to some very neat conversations.


Thought I was attempting to start that conversation. May not have been a successful attempt. Was trying to draw out information when I commented, and encourage her to continue (Because I think an exchange of information could be useful).



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25 Feb 2020, 9:52 pm

If it's not about thinking in one another's shoes, IMO we're going nowhere. Unless that's a 2-way discussion & process, no positive advances can be made here.


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26 Feb 2020, 11:25 am

Men and women form opinions of others based on their observations all the time. It's not a "good" thing or a "bad" thing, but it is an inevitable thing.

When people talk about getting "vibes" they're not talking about some sort of mystical, psychic energy. What they mean is they get a feeling about your character based on how you dress, carry yourself, your voice inflection, ect. 90% of all communication that takes place between people is non-verbal.

Autistics can be painfully unaware of the image we're giving off, which is one of the reasons that I'm firmly in the camp that autism is a disability.


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26 Feb 2020, 12:18 pm

XFilesGeek wrote:
... When people talk about getting "vibes" they're not talking about some sort of mystical, psychic energy. What they mean is they get a feeling about your character based on how you dress, carry yourself, your voice inflection, ect. 90% of all communication that takes place between people is non-verbal...
Also known as "Intuition".



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26 Feb 2020, 2:15 pm

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Men and women form opinions of others based on their observations all the time. It's not a "good" thing or a "bad" thing, but it is an inevitable thing.

When people talk about getting "vibes" they're not talking about some sort of mystical, psychic energy. What they mean is they get a feeling about your character based on how you dress, carry yourself, your voice inflection, ect. 90% of all communication that takes place between people is non-verbal.

Autistics can be painfully unaware of the image we're giving off, which is one of the reasons that I'm firmly in the camp that autism is a disability.



In my opinion, only the Classic Autism; or AS accompanied with other serious sensory stuff such as hyperacusis or extreme tinnitus.

But I am not convinced that mild AS; is a disability by itself; even if it makes us loners forever.



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26 Feb 2020, 2:35 pm

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
XFilesGeek wrote:
Men and women form opinions of others based on their observations all the time. It's not a "good" thing or a "bad" thing, but it is an inevitable thing.

When people talk about getting "vibes" they're not talking about some sort of mystical, psychic energy. What they mean is they get a feeling about your character based on how you dress, carry yourself, your voice inflection, ect. 90% of all communication that takes place between people is non-verbal.

Autistics can be painfully unaware of the image we're giving off, which is one of the reasons that I'm firmly in the camp that autism is a disability.



In my opinion, only the Classic Autism; or AS accompanied with other serious sensory stuff such as hyperacusis or extreme tinnitus.

But I am not convinced that mild AS; is a disability by itself; even if it makes us loners forever.

If your ASD puts limitations on your ability to read body language, understand social cues and communicate with other people, and it's all due to a condition that you can't change, I think you'd have to call that a social disability, in the same way that if you have a condition that interferes with the way you learn, you'd call that a learning disability.

What would be the case against classifying ASD as a social disability?



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26 Feb 2020, 2:38 pm

The Grand Inquisitor wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
XFilesGeek wrote:
Men and women form opinions of others based on their observations all the time. It's not a "good" thing or a "bad" thing, but it is an inevitable thing.

When people talk about getting "vibes" they're not talking about some sort of mystical, psychic energy. What they mean is they get a feeling about your character based on how you dress, carry yourself, your voice inflection, ect. 90% of all communication that takes place between people is non-verbal.

Autistics can be painfully unaware of the image we're giving off, which is one of the reasons that I'm firmly in the camp that autism is a disability.



In my opinion, only the Classic Autism; or AS accompanied with other serious sensory stuff such as hyperacusis or extreme tinnitus.

But I am not convinced that mild AS; is a disability by itself; even if it makes us loners forever.

If your ASD puts limitations on your ability to read body language, understand social cues and communicate with other people, and it's all due to a condition that you can't change, I think you'd have to call that a social disability, in the same way that if you have a condition that interferes with the way you learn, you'd call that a learning disability.

What would be the case against classifying ASD as a social disability?



Hmm...you're right, I didn't think of "social disability".

But no one cares, except us, about it.



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26 Feb 2020, 2:40 pm

The Grand Inquisitor wrote:
... What would be the case against classifying ASD as a social disability?
Classifying AS as only a social disability would ignore its sensory and motor issues. If that was done, then it would also be fair to classify every other disability as a social disability.

Imagine classifying a quadriplegic as only socially disabled...



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26 Feb 2020, 2:41 pm

I'm "disabled" by sensory and repetitive behaviours, even when I'm alone. Even if I were the only person on Earth.

You're right that it isn't (just) a social disability.


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26 Feb 2020, 2:44 pm

It would seem that every disability is somehow socially disabling.



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26 Feb 2020, 2:56 pm

Fnord wrote:
The Grand Inquisitor wrote:
... What would be the case against classifying ASD as a social disability?
Classifying AS as only a social disability would ignore its sensory and motor issues. If that was done, then it would also be fair to classify every other disability as a social disability.

Imagine classifying a quadriplegic as only socially disabled...

I'm not saying that autism is always only a social disability, but that it's probably at least a social disability for those who have it. It can disable people in other ways too, but it doesn't in every case.

Some people on the spectrum have pervasive sensory issues, and they would often also qualify as a disability, but for someone like myself whose only real sensory problem is that there's a higher than average amount of foods I can't eat, I don't know that I'd call that a disability.



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26 Feb 2020, 5:49 pm

Humans are the most socially complex primates on the planet. A condition that sets off a nuclear bomb in our ability to read and interpret social cues is a disability.

I was nearly DXed as "schizoid" due to my flat affect and inability to convey interest in other people. I still suffer from misunderstandings today, which is why I wash dishes for a living at 36.


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26 Feb 2020, 6:11 pm

Fnord wrote:
It would seem that every disability is somehow socially disabling.

Whilst it's probably true that most disabilities cause social issues that would otherwise not be present, for many disabilities, those social issues are the result of other people reacting negatively to the person with the disability rather than an innate deficit in social skills on the part of the person with the disability.

With autism, it seems that we often experience both innate deficits in social skills and negative reactions from others because of them.



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26 Feb 2020, 9:18 pm

Fnord wrote:
It would seem that every disability is somehow socially disabling.

I was thinking about this the other day.

I know two disabled guys who married and had kids. One lost his hand. The other is blind. It may help that both have jobs.