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18 Jul 2011, 9:47 pm

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And I think I see Ricky5's point about all the ups and downs of relationships; it seems to me that all he's saying is that prostitutes provide some sort of consistency/reliability/predictability. What's so evil about wanting to know what to expect? I strongly disagree with the idea that all women can give is sex (we're actually very similar to people), but I completely understand wanting to know what to expect from someone.

actually, he has said repeatedly (elsewhere, but also in this thread) that there is no point in a relationship instead of using a prostitute because every relationship is based on financial transactions anyways. which is not at all what you have said here. he didn't mention prostitutes as a way to get to know what sex is like - he says that it is interchangeable with a real relationship.


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18 Jul 2011, 9:55 pm

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The most reasonable thing to do is not see the prostitute

Honestly, I don't know what is the most reasonable thing to do, as I stated earlier, another alternative from visiting a prostitute can be done, which of course, is safer, however it doesn't give you the experience.

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because you'd be supporting sex trafficking which isn't cool. But apparently a lot of the men in here don't seem to care about that.

No, what happens is that they don't agree with your stance on the subject, you seem to be pressuming that they know but don't care, and the former is different than the latter.

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If they can get no strings attached sex for cash, why should they care that they're pretty much raping the prostitute? :/

Those are not necessarily tied as you are implying, men who have no issue with sex for money can also feel disgusted about rape.



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18 Jul 2011, 9:55 pm

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And I think I see Ricky5's point about all the ups and downs of relationships; it seems to me that all he's saying is that prostitutes provide some sort of consistency/reliability/predictability. What's so evil about wanting to know what to expect? I strongly disagree with the idea that all women can give is sex (we're actually very similar to people), but I completely understand wanting to know what to expect from someone.

actually, he has said repeatedly (elsewhere, but also in this thread) that there is no point in a relationship instead of using a prostitute because every relationship is based on financial transactions anyways. which is not at all what you have said here. he didn't mention prostitutes as a way to get to know what sex is like - he says that it is interchangeable with a real relationship.


I do disagree with the bolded part, and, as I said, with the idea that a woman's only worth is that she provides sex.

Where was it said that every relationship is based on financial transactions? I wouldn't be surprised if he's said that, but in this thread what I remember him saying is that every man pays for sex somehow. Whether or not that's true (of course it is, all women are grasping harpies, y'know), payment doesn't have to be of a financial nature. Time, emotional investment and things like that would count, especially if you don't like companionship enough for it to provide any rewards for effort spent.


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18 Jul 2011, 9:56 pm

I'm not judging anyone but I would note that one nice emotional benefit to picking someone up or starting a relationship is the affirmation of self you get in addition to everything else. It's two people validating each other. An ego boost. Worth pursuing for that alone.

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18 Jul 2011, 9:59 pm

Whatever. It's your choice.

As usual, my opinion on the matter is contradicting. As an autistic atheist (in other words, extremely rational ), I don't have any moral limitations regarding sexuality. I think sex is a recreational activity not necessarily linked to love. Everyone is free to do it as they want, regardless of gender, price, sexual orientation and whatever else is considered "taboo".
On the other hand, I'm not really interested in paying for sex. If most men are able to get it without paying, I should be able to do the same. Right now, the only real obstacle in my way is my (extreme) social anxiety.

Also, I'm more interested in companionship and the emotional benefits of a relationship than sex. Which doesn't mean I'm not interested in sex: it simply isn't my highest priority right now. If it ever becomes my highest priority, I wouldn't mind simply paying for an escort, but I'm not interested right now.



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18 Jul 2011, 10:00 pm

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Those are not necessarily tied as you are implying, men who have no issue with sex for money can also feel disgusted about rape.


Seems a bit hypocritical to me but whatever. :/



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18 Jul 2011, 10:13 pm

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Pretend that your life experiences have shown you that absolutely no girl is interested in you because of your aspergian characteristics. Well, that's not strictly true BUT rather, it's that SO FEW girls in real life are interested in you that doing the "searching process" is not sufficiently efficient like it is for your everyday NT such that it's kind of impractical. So, what do you do when you have a sex drive? Get a prostitute! Simple, quick and far less costly.

This seems totally rational to me. What's your take?


HELL YEAH! :D

It is the most rational and HONEST approach to take. Lots of anxieties go away and you will feel great after you get rid of your virginity.

The truth is that every guy pays for sex in one way or another.

It is also far cheaper in terms of opportunity costs since you can work to redirect your special interests into making money rather than waste your time with bars, clubs, and dating sites.



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op dont do it. at least wait till your 30....thats what i would do and im your age



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18 Jul 2011, 10:15 pm

Who_Am_I wrote:
hyperlexian wrote:
Who_Am_I wrote:
And I think I see Ricky5's point about all the ups and downs of relationships; it seems to me that all he's saying is that prostitutes provide some sort of consistency/reliability/predictability. What's so evil about wanting to know what to expect? I strongly disagree with the idea that all women can give is sex (we're actually very similar to people), but I completely understand wanting to know what to expect from someone.

actually, he has said repeatedly (elsewhere, but also in this thread) that there is no point in a relationship instead of using a prostitute because every relationship is based on financial transactions anyways. which is not at all what you have said here. he didn't mention prostitutes as a way to get to know what sex is like - he says that it is interchangeable with a real relationship.


I do disagree with the bolded part, and, as I said, with the idea that a woman's only worth is that she provides sex.

Where was it said that every relationship is based on financial transactions? I wouldn't be surprised if he's said that, but in this thread what I remember him saying is that every man pays for sex somehow. Whether or not that's true (of course it is, all women are grasping harpies, y'know), payment doesn't have to be of a financial nature. Time, emotional investment and things like that would count, especially if you don't like companionship enough for it to provide any rewards for effort spent.

^ this part. seeing sex as a transaction is what i am talking about. perhaps you have not run across the multiple times he referred specifically to monetary transactions. i have had the displeasure of seeing that stated openly, in various ways, by RICKY5.

and i disagree that you always pay for it anyways. often it is given freely and nothing changes hands except love.


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18 Jul 2011, 10:30 pm

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Those are not necessarily tied as you are implying, men who have no issue with sex for money can also feel disgusted about rape.


Seems a bit hypocritical to me but whatever. :/

The exchange being consensual, there is no hypocricy here, as the issue is consent.



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18 Jul 2011, 10:58 pm

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(we're actually very similar to people)

QFT


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18 Jul 2011, 11:05 pm

Do you have any idea what the future can bring, one day you might be single then the next day you might find a partner.
Relationships always change they can grow and they can grow apart, so its just be grateful for what you have and who you have in your life right now! Also theres two people (some times more thos thats a different topic now) that enter into a relationship your partner and you, so when your single its best work on the relationship you have with yourself to help you improve the quality of relationships you have others.

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Pretend that your life experiences have shown you that absolutely no girl is interested in you because of your aspergian characteristics. Well, that's not strictly true BUT rather, it's that SO FEW girls in real life are interested in you that doing the "searching process" is not sufficiently efficient like it is for your everyday NT such that it's kind of impractical.

Yes I been there so its moot pretending now, plus IHMO few girls having an interested is easy to management then a group of woman chasing after me. Now your assuming that NTs have an easy time finding a partner no its not, my best friend irl as a case in point that will challenging that assumption.

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So, what do you do when you have a sex drive? Get a prostitute! Simple, quick and far less costly.

So its that effing simple then one solution to solve a problem! Are there alternative solutions to that issue.
There no such thing a silver bullet, when its come to resolving relationship issues
By prostitute you do mean a sex worker now, or did you mean a management consultant or a psychotherapist?
If its quick and cost less that having a relationship then please show this statistician and trained accountant, the figures that back up your claim.

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This seems totally rational to me. What's your take?

You might be confusing rational with emotional thinking there IMO, If you asked me that question ten years go I would of agreed with you thos I don't agree with you now.

Over the last ten years via life experiences I learnt that the use of prostitutes had its risk, can help in the short term thos done zip to help with long term relationships.



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18 Jul 2011, 11:12 pm

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No, because a cashier isn't expected to sell his body for money. While being a fast food cashier sucks (I was one) I don't think it is even comparable to a prostitute. You aren't raping the cashier, just asking him to get some food for you.

We're discussing this from the customer's perspective. You said it was impossible to pay a hooker and respect her.

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It's easy. Imagine being objectified since puberty and never being taken seriously by men at work or other places just for being born female. Then if you want sex, you're a whore and if you don't want it you're an ice cold prude. And a woman can't be out alone at night for fear that some psychopath will rape her and scar her for life. With all the double standards and risks it carries, it's no wonder there are so many women who don't like sex. Not to mention a lot of us can't orgasm from intercourse (and a small number have never orgasmed at all, like me) so why would we do something that doesn't generally feel good?

This sounds significantly overstated, but OK. I'll imagine I grew up female in this sort of environment. I still don't see why I wouldn't like sex. Maybe I'd be very cautious around it. Maybe (taking your description quite literally) I'd be afraid of men. But why wouldn't I like sex?


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19 Jul 2011, 6:00 am

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Who_Am_I wrote:
hyperlexian wrote:
Who_Am_I wrote:
And I think I see Ricky5's point about all the ups and downs of relationships; it seems to me that all he's saying is that prostitutes provide some sort of consistency/reliability/predictability. What's so evil about wanting to know what to expect? I strongly disagree with the idea that all women can give is sex (we're actually very similar to people), but I completely understand wanting to know what to expect from someone.

actually, he has said repeatedly (elsewhere, but also in this thread) that there is no point in a relationship instead of using a prostitute because every relationship is based on financial transactions anyways. which is not at all what you have said here. he didn't mention prostitutes as a way to get to know what sex is like - he says that it is interchangeable with a real relationship.


I do disagree with the bolded part, and, as I said, with the idea that a woman's only worth is that she provides sex.

Where was it said that every relationship is based on financial transactions? I wouldn't be surprised if he's said that, but in this thread what I remember him saying is that every man pays for sex somehow. Whether or not that's true (of course it is, all women are grasping harpies, y'know), payment doesn't have to be of a financial nature. Time, emotional investment and things like that would count, especially if you don't like companionship enough for it to provide any rewards for effort spent.

^ this part. seeing sex as a transaction is what i am talking about. perhaps you have not run across the multiple times he referred specifically to monetary transactions. i have had the displeasure of seeing that stated openly, in various ways, by RICKY5.


Good point; I have seen him say that many times.

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and i disagree that you always pay for it anyways. often it is given freely and nothing changes hands except love.


Agreed.

To clarify:

I think that the notion that relationships are always a waste of time is misguided.

I think that the idea that all women can provide is sex is completely f*****g idiotic.

What I don't think, though, is that if someone dislikes the unpredictability of relationships and has found a way to circumvent that, and that way works for them, that this automatically makes them a bad person. Would you rather that RICKY5 lied to women and pretended to care for them just to get sex?


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19 Jul 2011, 6:44 am

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No, because a cashier isn't expected to sell his body for money. While being a fast food cashier sucks (I was one) I don't think it is even comparable to a prostitute. You aren't raping the cashier, just asking him to get some food for you.

We're discussing this from the customer's perspective. You said it was impossible to pay a hooker and respect her.

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It's easy. Imagine being objectified since puberty and never being taken seriously by men at work or other places just for being born female. Then if you want sex, you're a whore and if you don't want it you're an ice cold prude. And a woman can't be out alone at night for fear that some psychopath will rape her and scar her for life. With all the double standards and risks it carries, it's no wonder there are so many women who don't like sex. Not to mention a lot of us can't orgasm from intercourse (and a small number have never orgasmed at all, like me) so why would we do something that doesn't generally feel good?

This sounds significantly overstated, but OK. I'll imagine I grew up female in this sort of environment. I still don't see why I wouldn't like sex. Maybe I'd be very cautious around it. Maybe (taking your description quite literally) I'd be afraid of men. But why wouldn't I like sex?


Because you're not paying the cashier to suck your dick, which is much more demeaning than paying them for food. The product is completely different so the comparision doesn't line up.

Since heterosexual intercourse kinda requires a male's participation, being afraid of them would impact that. They say that you have to relax in order to enjoy it, but how can I relax when I'm constantly cautious and fearful of what could happen? Basically, you can't.



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19 Jul 2011, 8:18 am

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To clarify:

I think that the notion that relationships are always a waste of time is misguided.

I think that the idea that all women can provide is sex is completely f***ing idiotic.

What I don't think, though, is that if someone dislikes the unpredictability of relationships and has found a way to circumvent that, and that way works for them, that this automatically makes them a bad person. Would you rather that RICKY5 lied to women and pretended to care for them just to get sex?


No. I just think some people here have some very wacky reasons for seeing prostitutes. Also the notion that love or relationships are completely worthless being bandied about as a de facto truth is rather worrying, and wrong.

I've no real problem with prostitution per se. It's not for me though.

Probably better to see a series of sex workers than to damage another person.

But better yet would be to work towards being less damaged, and being able to give and receive love, and see it for the positive thing that it can be.


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19 Jul 2011, 8:22 am

Moog wrote:
Who_Am_I wrote:
To clarify:

I think that the notion that relationships are always a waste of time is misguided.

I think that the idea that all women can provide is sex is completely f***ing idiotic.

What I don't think, though, is that if someone dislikes the unpredictability of relationships and has found a way to circumvent that, and that way works for them, that this automatically makes them a bad person. Would you rather that RICKY5 lied to women and pretended to care for them just to get sex?


No. I just think some people here have some very wacky reasons for seeing prostitutes. Also the notion that love or relationships are completely worthless being bandied about as a de facto truth is rather worrying, and wrong.

I've no real problem with prostitution per se. It's not for me though.

Probably better to see a series of sex workers than to damage another person.

But better yet would be to work towards being less damaged, and being able to give and receive love, and see it for the positive thing that it can be.


I agree with you on all those points.


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