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01 Sep 2011, 9:37 pm

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There is no need for capitalization for these guys. No matter how they sugar coat it or have their chosen word heroes that word things carefully, underneath it all, what they are basically saying is that they are entitled to controlling you and manipulating you.

Women, look out for the warning signs of a pick up a**hole. There is no art in their tactics just men who believe women are objects and can't bring themselves to ask a woman out. Instead they believe women should just fawn over them and if there is one woman out of the bunch the pick up artist is really targeting, he thinks his tactics are GOING TO WORK as in entitlement issues to your vagina.

Learn the signs.

1. Hot and cold treatment. One day ignores you. Another day is getting close to you and talking to you. (This is manipulation.)
2. He likes to be in control. You may notice that he understands the timing of when you arrive somewhere so he uses this time to manipulate you further.
3. Suddenly, all other women hate you as he's playing games with them too.
4. If you have to be around this pick up a**hole and there comes time for more days where you won't see him around like holiday, he will do stuff he thinks might upset you before that break. He hopes to hurt you so that you will think about him.
5. After the break, he's being nice again.

He'll come up with other ways of hurting you...oops I mean being skillfull at this so called "art".

This won't stop until you break all ties with the pick up a**hole.

This may have you baffled at first but whatever you do, do not go along with it at all. When you start noticing the warning signs you have to tell him boldly "I am under the impression you are into mind games and you really need to knock it off."

If he refuses then you'll have to come up with your own plan B.

These types of men don't really understand women but have decided that all women want a jerk. They also fear rejection and resort to these immature games to cover it up. These men are not a good catch. May have considered themselves good nice men not understanding that there is a difference between a nice guy and a creepy whiner.

They blame women for everything. Women are to blame also over feminism which they have distorted into meaning "being a man". These men don't view of women as human beings but blow up dolls with no rights.

Some of these men see a pretty woman and instantly have made up their minds that it is their duty to torture her because she must have had an easy life.

Women, these guys will also cheat on you. It turns into an addiction they must defend. Nothing good about these guys at all. If you see this unfolding before your eyes, stay strong, don't budge and the females that are being mean to you over this man have fallen for his games.

Ladies, men don't understand why we are more defensive than them. Men lack the empathy to understand our defenses. They don't fear being taken advantage of like women do or they claim that they do understand and then they say some remark like "Gold diggers" meanwhile the women they want are perfect models as if they are entitled to just perfect models. Women also play games and from what I've noticed, both women and men who resort to these abusive tactics usually have a personality disorder.

Some men who are shy and tired of being shy fall into this trap of thinking this is acceptable behavior but it's not. Then they get sucked into hating women and treating them like sh**.

EDIT: removed by hyperlexian


I think it is a commonly known fact that the majority of alpha males are a**holes, since they have to step on others to get where they are. Congratulations on your way of thinking.


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01 Sep 2011, 9:41 pm

zen_mistress wrote:
WrongMan wrote:
TheygoMew wrote:
There is no need for capitalization for these guys. No matter how they sugar coat it or have their chosen word heroes that word things carefully, underneath it all, what they are basically saying is that they are entitled to controlling you and manipulating you.

Women, look out for the warning signs of a pick up a**hole. There is no art in their tactics just men who believe women are objects and can't bring themselves to ask a woman out. Instead they believe women should just fawn over them and if there is one woman out of the bunch the pick up artist is really targeting, he thinks his tactics are GOING TO WORK as in entitlement issues to your vagina.

Learn the signs.

1. Hot and cold treatment. One day ignores you. Another day is getting close to you and talking to you. (This is manipulation.)
2. He likes to be in control. You may notice that he understands the timing of when you arrive somewhere so he uses this time to manipulate you further.
3. Suddenly, all other women hate you as he's playing games with them too.
4. If you have to be around this pick up a**hole and there comes time for more days where you won't see him around like holiday, he will do stuff he thinks might upset you before that break. He hopes to hurt you so that you will think about him.
5. After the break, he's being nice again.

He'll come up with other ways of hurting you...oops I mean being skillfull at this so called "art".

This won't stop until you break all ties with the pick up a**hole.

This may have you baffled at first but whatever you do, do not go along with it at all. When you start noticing the warning signs you have to tell him boldly "I am under the impression you are into mind games and you really need to knock it off."

If he refuses then you'll have to come up with your own plan B.

These types of men don't really understand women but have decided that all women want a jerk. They also fear rejection and resort to these immature games to cover it up. These men are not a good catch. May have considered themselves good nice men not understanding that there is a difference between a nice guy and a creepy whiner.

They blame women for everything. Women are to blame also over feminism which they have distorted into meaning "being a man". These men don't view of women as human beings but blow up dolls with no rights.

Some of these men see a pretty woman and instantly have made up their minds that it is their duty to torture her because she must have had an easy life.

Women, these guys will also cheat on you. It turns into an addiction they must defend. Nothing good about these guys at all. If you see this unfolding before your eyes, stay strong, don't budge and the females that are being mean to you over this man have fallen for his games.

Ladies, men don't understand why we are more defensive than them. Men lack the empathy to understand our defenses. They don't fear being taken advantage of like women do or they claim that they do understand and then they say some remark like "Gold diggers" meanwhile the women they want are perfect models as if they are entitled to just perfect models. Women also play games and from what I've noticed, both women and men who resort to these abusive tactics usually have a personality disorder.

Some men who are shy and tired of being shy fall into this trap of thinking this is acceptable behavior but it's not. Then they get sucked into hating women and treating them like sh**.

EDIT: removed by hyperlexian because the post was made through a sockpuppet account of a banned member



I think it is a commonly known fact that the majority of alpha males are a**holes, since they have to step on others to get where they are. Congratulations on your way of thinking.


Not in my experience. Angry betas trying to be Alphas is who I believe you are referring to. Every Alpha I've met has been a sincere intelligent and generous individual liked by all.


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01 Sep 2011, 10:02 pm

Hyperlexian, this is me being offensive:

Here are some painful yet valuable truths ladies, ignore them at your own peril:

"older women" - fertility starts to drop after age 27, by 35 you should be hearing red alert klaxons, by 40 you are pretty much barren. Yes the papers see the odd story about a post-40 celebrity becoming pregnant, but you are not a celebrity with tens of thousands to pay for fertility treatments. What's worse is the older you are when you start having kids, the greater the chance of genetic deformities and miscarriage. Men's attraction is wired to fertility, that's why the sexual marketplace upturns when you hit 35. If you want to have children, have them young.

"women with sexual experience" - Men do not want to marry or have kids with sluts. Why? Our monkey brains are telling us that sluts make disloyal wives and poor mothers. That doesn't mean our desire for sex cannot be met by these women.
We have this remarkable ability to separate women who are good for sex and women who are worth investing in for family. Logical bastards that we are. This is where the double standards arise, men want sex, men will push women for sex, men lose respect for women who give in too easily. If you want to be either wife or mother for a good man Don't be a slut

"women with children" - having children by another man makes you much less attractive because men are naturally averse to raising children that are not of their own lineage (not only that they are a constant reminder another man got there first - see above). Don't forget our roots as survival and reproduction machines. In more than a few animal species a new victorious alpha male will kill all the children sired by his predecessor. Now what if I were to tell you that statistically the only person more likely to kill or abuse children than the mother herself is "mommy's new boyfriend" - seems we aren't as far removed from our animal pasts as we like to believe. Also see my post above on single mothers and for the love of god, for yourself, and for the human race as a whole Pick better men to procreate with.



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01 Sep 2011, 10:02 pm

MountZion wrote:
zen_mistress wrote:
WrongMan wrote:
TheygoMew wrote:
There is no need for capitalization for these guys. No matter how they sugar coat it or have their chosen word heroes that word things carefully, underneath it all, what they are basically saying is that they are entitled to controlling you and manipulating you.

Women, look out for the warning signs of a pick up a**hole. There is no art in their tactics just men who believe women are objects and can't bring themselves to ask a woman out. Instead they believe women should just fawn over them and if there is one woman out of the bunch the pick up artist is really targeting, he thinks his tactics are GOING TO WORK as in entitlement issues to your vagina.

Learn the signs.

1. Hot and cold treatment. One day ignores you. Another day is getting close to you and talking to you. (This is manipulation.)
2. He likes to be in control. You may notice that he understands the timing of when you arrive somewhere so he uses this time to manipulate you further.
3. Suddenly, all other women hate you as he's playing games with them too.
4. If you have to be around this pick up a**hole and there comes time for more days where you won't see him around like holiday, he will do stuff he thinks might upset you before that break. He hopes to hurt you so that you will think about him.
5. After the break, he's being nice again.

He'll come up with other ways of hurting you...oops I mean being skillfull at this so called "art".

This won't stop until you break all ties with the pick up a**hole.

This may have you baffled at first but whatever you do, do not go along with it at all. When you start noticing the warning signs you have to tell him boldly "I am under the impression you are into mind games and you really need to knock it off."

If he refuses then you'll have to come up with your own plan B.

These types of men don't really understand women but have decided that all women want a jerk. They also fear rejection and resort to these immature games to cover it up. These men are not a good catch. May have considered themselves good nice men not understanding that there is a difference between a nice guy and a creepy whiner.

They blame women for everything. Women are to blame also over feminism which they have distorted into meaning "being a man". These men don't view of women as human beings but blow up dolls with no rights.

Some of these men see a pretty woman and instantly have made up their minds that it is their duty to torture her because she must have had an easy life.

Women, these guys will also cheat on you. It turns into an addiction they must defend. Nothing good about these guys at all. If you see this unfolding before your eyes, stay strong, don't budge and the females that are being mean to you over this man have fallen for his games.

Ladies, men don't understand why we are more defensive than them. Men lack the empathy to understand our defenses. They don't fear being taken advantage of like women do or they claim that they do understand and then they say some remark like "Gold diggers" meanwhile the women they want are perfect models as if they are entitled to just perfect models. Women also play games and from what I've noticed, both women and men who resort to these abusive tactics usually have a personality disorder.

Some men who are shy and tired of being shy fall into this trap of thinking this is acceptable behavior but it's not. Then they get sucked into hating women and treating them like sh**.

EDIT: removed by hyperlexian because the post was made through a sockpuppet account of a banned membe[/rb]



[b]I think it is a commonly known fact that the majority of alpha males are a**holes, since they have to step on others to get where they are. Congratulations on your way of thinking.


Not in my experience. Angry betas trying to be Alphas is who I believe you are referring to. Every Alpha I've met has been a sincere intelligent and generous individual liked by all.


The majority of Alpha males I know arent very nice people at all. If someone is nice, they usually are around the middle of hierachies or the bottom. I remember the Alpha Males at my school and ones I have seen at the workplace, all bullies. Sometimes there will be that rare individual who is a nice person and has enough charisma to be regarded as an alpha by others, but they are less common.


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01 Sep 2011, 10:12 pm

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Hyperlexian, this is me being offensive:

Here are some painful yet valuable truths ladies, ignore them at your own peril:

"older women" - fertility starts to drop after age 27, by 35 you should be hearing red alert klaxons, by 40 you are pretty much barren. Yes the papers see the odd story about a post-40 celebrity becoming pregnant, but you are not a celebrity with tens of thousands to pay for fertility treatments. What's worse is the older you are when you start having kids, the greater the chance of genetic deformities and miscarriage. Men's attraction is wired to fertility, that's why the sexual marketplace upturns when you hit 35. If you want to have children, have them young.

"women with sexual experience" - Men do not want to marry or have kids with sluts. Why? Our monkey brains are telling us that sluts make disloyal wives and poor mothers. That doesn't mean our desire for sex cannot be met by these women.
We have this remarkable ability to separate women who are good for sex and women who are worth investing in for family. Logical bastards that we are. This is where the double standards arise, men want sex, men will push women for sex, men lose respect for women who give in too easily. If you want to be either wife or mother for a good man Don't be a slut

"women with children" - having children by another man makes you much less attractive because men are naturally averse to raising children that are not of their own lineage (not only that they are a constant reminder another man got there first - see above). Don't forget our roots as survival and reproduction machines. In more than a few animal species a new victorious alpha male will kill all the children sired by his predecessor. Now what if I were to tell you that statistically the only person more likely to kill or abuse children than the mother herself is "mommy's new boyfriend" - seems we aren't as far removed from our animal pasts as we like to believe. Also see my post above on single mothers and for the love of god, for yourself, and for the human race as a whole Pick better men to procreate with.


There is a double standard involved where men get angry at women for turning them down and then calling them sluts if they don't. Not all men do this. Just men like you.

"In more than a few animal species a new victorious alpha male will kill all the children sired by his predecessor. Now what if I were to tell you that statistically the only person more likely to kill or abuse children than the mother herself is "mommy's new boyfriend" - seems we aren't as far removed from our animal pasts as we like to believe. Also see my post above on single mothers and for the love of god, for yourself, and for the human race as a whole [b]Pick better men to procreate with."

Wow, you blame women for everything in a Ted Bundy sort of way. Just look at your text. Giving validation to kill children and yet you're still blaming the woman for a man's bad action?

This is stuff psychopaths think.



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01 Sep 2011, 10:35 pm

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you're really not making a good case for the whole "men who use PUA material can be decent guys" argument.

EDIT: took out statement that was too inflammatory. i don't need to stoop to that!! !


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I've heard it all before, I've been accused of being a rapist, a paedophile, a misogynist, a sexist, an abuser and now a psychopath. There's nothing you can say.
This is purely conjecture, but I wonder if perhaps you and the others like you who throw unfounded and oh so wrong accusations my way have to believe there is something terribly wrong with me. Some kind of coping mechanism, the idea that the men you want might think like I do and that your own misguided choices have condemned you to end up with low status men or no men at all terrifies you.

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you're really not making a good case for the whole "men who use PUA material can be decent guys" argument. i think the movement needs a pitchman who can keep his cool under pressure.


Oh come off it, you can't give me crap for not considering women who fall into those categories marriage material. Nor will I wag my finger at you and judge you for rebuffing the advances of some random guy in your youth whom you did not find attractive. You're just pulling the same nonsense as Mew in a slightly more subtle way, attempting to hurt my feelings with backhanded remark.So I can't possibly be a decent guy? For having standards? Righty-O



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you're really not making a good case for the whole "men who use PUA material can be decent guys" argument. i think the movement needs a pitchman who can keep his cool under pressure.


Oh come off it, you can't give me crap for not considering women who fall into those categories marriage material. Nor will I wag my finger at you and judge you for rebuffing the advances of some random guy in your youth whom you did not find attractive. You're just pulling the same nonsense as Mew in a slightly more subtle way, attempting to hurt my feelings with backhanded remark.So I can't possibly be a decent guy? For having standards? Righty-O

i really don't care who you try to have sex with. in fact, i don't even want to know. it's when you are disrespectful to those groups of women that it becomes an issue.


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01 Sep 2011, 11:00 pm

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Here are some painful yet valuable truths ladies, ignore them at your own peril: ...


I like "sluts" so I don't have the slightest idea what you are talking about. It's like you are speaking a foreign language. A woman can like sex and still be loyal. And I know a wealthy CEO who is married to a nice woman who dresses like a porn star and has a history not too far removed. They have kids now.

I think you are mistaking your preferences for a general rule. Men have all kinds of tastes.



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There are exceptions to every rule, especially when it comes to sexual preferences. That does not make the rules and generalisations invalid. The first two categories are things women lie about 24/7, because somewhere deep down they know it too. Have quick browse on the internet, look for stories about single mums going dating and men *mysteriously* running for the hills as soon as the kids are mentioned.

I haven't made this stuff up, If stating the truth about male behaviour is disrespectful that's too bad. Take one for the team and allow young women to hear what used to be known as "common folk wisdom". Help them avoid making the same mistakes, they sure don't hear it from their parents anymore.



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01 Sep 2011, 11:15 pm

hyperlexian wrote:
you're really not making a good case for the whole "men who use PUA material can be decent guys" argument. i think the movement needs a pitchman who can keep his cool under pressure.


lilypadfad wrote:
You're just pulling the same nonsense as Mew in a slightly more subtle way, attempting to hurt my feelings with backhanded remark.So I can't possibly be a decent guy? For having standards? Righty-O


I dont think she is giving you a subtle, backhanded remark at all. She makes an important point- PUAs are always saying that they are such decent guys, yet when their material is examined it seems they are not very nice at all. There are nice alpha males out there but I dont see the PUA movement being geared towards being a good man.


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the term 'alpha male' isn't used differently for humans and other animals, but there is a distinction between status and results. in nature, the alpha male is the one with higher status, which may or may not result in a higher number of sexual partners. just because sex often results from status does not mean that the number of sex partners is a reliable indicator of social status. neither is being able to afford a lot of food, even though in nature alpha males eat first and eat the most.


You got it the other way around, you're disregarding the alpha male's main goal: to monopolize females and spread his genes.

In many species, the leadership would guarantee this goal, he eats first and eats most so he can f**** most!
He fights for the leadership status so he can remain the only impregnater, the only male genes spreader.
That's why the new alpha lions kills the cubs of the previous alpha, because he wants to monopolize the genes spreading role, gorillas do the same.

Besides, things differ from one species to another. In most bird species, alphas have no leadership roles (since they are socially monogamous), but they are the ones who impgrenate the female folks. Wolves have alpha pairs but it's also for the same reason.

well, you kind of defeated your own argument by pointing out that monogamous animals don't have the same prupose for alpha males. any animal that pair-bonds is fighting for one mate. you could argue about whether they get, i.e. the most healthy mate by being the alpha, but that is not what we are talking about - we are talking purely about numbers of sexual partners.

anyway it doesn't work in reverse.... men who have a lot of sex are not by definition alpha males. they are men who manage to get a lot of women to have sex with them. these men are not necessarily the men who have power or status.... and importantly, the ability to pick up random women is not a translatable skill that could lead to obtaining the highest quality partner (which in a monogamous society would be the goal).


I didn't defeat anything, birds are only socially monogamous, sexually they're not. So their alpha has the same final purpose: spreading the genes. Leadership in most species is not elected (except bees pehas), the alpha is the de facto leader because he's the strongest who would defeat others, yet they rarely live long because they're constantly challenged by other males, you see, all of them want to be the alpha so they can monopolize females.
There is even some monkey species where beta males team up to kill the alpha.. it's a non ending death cycle..

But gene spreading ist he main drive for everything else(leadership, power ...) in those species, not the other way around.



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:wink: This is the part where you explain how the two are different.


I won't. I am morally against make-up. I, however, don't talk about it because I've found most people think I'm a bit extreme in this area and can get offended. :)
I like to wear clown makeup and hang out with other guys and gals who also wear clown makeup. (no joke)
Is our aesthetic preference morally wrong?

I think we probably agree on one thing though: putting on makeup that matches one's skin-tone defeats the purpose and lacks creativity.

(For the record, has anyone ever seen a clown PUA? I haven't... so there.)


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I've heard it all before, I've been accused of being a rapist, a paedophile, a misogynist, a sexist, an abuser and now a psychopath. There's nothing you can say.
This is purely conjecture, but I wonder if perhaps you and the others like you who throw unfounded and oh so wrong accusations my way have to believe there is something terribly wrong with me.


Well it's clear to me now, having caught up on this thread and gotten a glimpse of your real personality, why you need to be a PUA. I'll just leave it at that....



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02 Sep 2011, 7:11 am

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you're really not making a good case for the whole "men who use PUA material can be decent guys" argument. i think the movement needs a pitchman who can keep his cool under pressure.


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You're just pulling the same nonsense as Mew in a slightly more subtle way, attempting to hurt my feelings with backhanded remark.So I can't possibly be a decent guy? For having standards? Righty-O


I dont think she is giving you a subtle, backhanded remark at all. She makes an important point- PUAs are always saying that they are such decent guys, yet when their material is examined it seems they are not very nice at all. There are nice alpha males out there but I dont see the PUA movement being geared towards being a good man.

well, it was a bit backhanded, which was why i edited it before he replied (if you see my original remark you can see i removed that part. i also just went back and added a note that i edited it as my ninja-edit didn't show as being changed.


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02 Sep 2011, 7:14 am

I didn't read 10 pages.

Whats the jist of it?