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25 Nov 2011, 2:52 am

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It's reality, what am i supposed to do, lie to myself? I am I a pathetic failure and a loser.[/b]




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Guess what? There is no such thing as "truth" about one's self, so everyone chooses what they want to believe about themselves. Some people choose better beliefs than others, 'tis all.



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25 Nov 2011, 11:17 am

I like how on every page he actually tells us anew how bad his life is. He just doesn`t know how bad it can really be for people.


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25 Nov 2011, 12:09 pm

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I like how on every page he actually tells us anew how bad his life is. He just doesn`t know how bad it can really be for people.


I do find his constant down-putting of himself irritating too, however I really hate that argument. So what if someone elses life is worse? It doesn't lesson someone elses suffering. Different people can cope with different levels of suffering.



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25 Nov 2011, 12:13 pm

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I like how on every page he actually tells us anew how bad his life is. He just doesn`t know how bad it can really be for people.


I do find his constant down-putting of himself irritating too, however I really hate that argument. So what if someone elses life is worse? It doesn't lesson someone elses suffering. Different people can cope with different levels of suffering.


Look at people living in the slums, they learned to deal with their s**t. He should be happy to have running water.


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25 Nov 2011, 12:14 pm

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Basagu wrote:
I like how on every page he actually tells us anew how bad his life is. He just doesn`t know how bad it can really be for people.


I do find his constant down-putting of himself irritating too, however I really hate that argument. So what if someone elses life is worse? It doesn't lesson someone elses suffering. Different people can cope with different levels of suffering.


Look at people living in the slums, they learned to deal with their sh**. He should be happy to have running water.


I used to live on the street. So what? Does that make his pain any less real. No, it doesn't. Get off your high-horse.



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25 Nov 2011, 12:20 pm

emlion wrote:
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Basagu wrote:
I like how on every page he actually tells us anew how bad his life is. He just doesn`t know how bad it can really be for people.


I do find his constant down-putting of himself irritating too, however I really hate that argument. So what if someone elses life is worse? It doesn't lesson someone elses suffering. Different people can cope with different levels of suffering.


Look at people living in the slums, they learned to deal with their sh**. He should be happy to have running water.


I used to live on the street. So what? Does that make his pain any less real. No, it doesn't. Get off your high-horse.


My family lives of 5 people lives from €300 per month at the moment, i get bullied at school, i also don`t have real friends, i spent all my time doing useless stuff behind the PC, maybe i am a little depressed. I have no "remarkable" skills, my mother suffers from a personality disorder, All you can do to carry on is to deal with it.

I don`t think it makes his pain less real, but if you compare the crap you`re going through to people who got it worse SHOULD make you feel quite lucky because it could`ve been so much worse.


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25 Nov 2011, 12:24 pm

Basagu wrote:
emlion wrote:
Basagu wrote:
emlion wrote:
Basagu wrote:
I like how on every page he actually tells us anew how bad his life is. He just doesn`t know how bad it can really be for people.


I do find his constant down-putting of himself irritating too, however I really hate that argument. So what if someone elses life is worse? It doesn't lesson someone elses suffering. Different people can cope with different levels of suffering.


Look at people living in the slums, they learned to deal with their sh**. He should be happy to have running water.


I used to live on the street. So what? Does that make his pain any less real. No, it doesn't. Get off your high-horse.


My family lives of 5 people lives from €300 per month at the moment, i get bullied at school, i also don`t have real friends, i spent all my time doing useless stuff behind the PC, maybe i am a little depressed. I have no "remarkable" skills, my mother suffers from a personality disorder, All you can do to carry on is to deal with it.

I don`t think it makes his pain less real, but if you compare the crap you`re going through to people who got it worse SHOULD make you feel quite lucky because it could`ve been so much worse.


In that case your life has been a breeze in comparison to mine. But that is beside the point.
I just don't see why you feel the need to step on someone when they're obviously struggling as it is.
Anyway, not really my problem. Just seems a little cruel - if you dislike his whining, leaving him alone seems like the best thing to do instead of being quite rude. Just my two cents anyway.



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25 Nov 2011, 12:34 pm

emlion wrote:
Basagu wrote:
emlion wrote:
Basagu wrote:
emlion wrote:
Basagu wrote:
I like how on every page he actually tells us anew how bad his life is. He just doesn`t know how bad it can really be for people.


I do find his constant down-putting of himself irritating too, however I really hate that argument. So what if someone elses life is worse? It doesn't lesson someone elses suffering. Different people can cope with different levels of suffering.


Look at people living in the slums, they learned to deal with their sh**. He should be happy to have running water.


I used to live on the street. So what? Does that make his pain any less real. No, it doesn't. Get off your high-horse.


My family lives of 5 people lives from €300 per month at the moment, i get bullied at school, i also don`t have real friends, i spent all my time doing useless stuff behind the PC, maybe i am a little depressed. I have no "remarkable" skills, my mother suffers from a personality disorder, All you can do to carry on is to deal with it.

I don`t think it makes his pain less real, but if you compare the crap you`re going through to people who got it worse SHOULD make you feel quite lucky because it could`ve been so much worse.


In that case your life has been a breeze in comparison to mine. But that is beside the point.
I just don't see why you feel the need to step on someone when they're obviously struggling as it is.
Anyway, not really my problem. Just seems a little cruel - if you dislike his whining, leaving him alone seems like the best thing to do instead of being quite rude. Just my two cents anyway.


Get off your high horse, that my life is so much easier doesn`t make the pain less real.

See what i did there?

A lot of people dislike his whining, if he stops whining people will like him more. And since he wants people to like him i`m actually being helpfull. I gave him helpfull advice a couple times before and he just takes a part of it out of context and make it seems like its impossible to do even the smallest task.

He can`t shower but he can post on a forum with decent/good grammar?


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25 Nov 2011, 12:35 pm

thats the point i was making. :roll:
right over your head, clearly.
nevermind. carry on & have a nice day. :)



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25 Nov 2011, 12:37 pm

emlion wrote:
thats the point i was making. :roll:
right over your head, clearly.
nevermind. carry on & have a nice day. :)


If you mean the first 2 sentences i wrote, its very clear sarcasm. I even wrote "See what i did there?" to make it more obvious...


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25 Nov 2011, 1:46 pm

I would like to make two suggestions for people complaining about how bad their life is:
1. Read the "gulag archipelago" by Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn. 2. Consider the fact that the vast majority of people with locked in syndrome are happy.

then compare your life with theirs. I suppose that you could just be wired to be miserable.


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25 Nov 2011, 1:52 pm

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I suppose that you could just be wired to be miserable.

sounds about right, guess i know what to do then.



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25 Nov 2011, 2:22 pm

I don't mind when people whine, but I feel bad because it's difficult to offer any advice, comfort or support to a person who feels this way.

And yes, I do think there are people who are prone to pessimism.



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25 Nov 2011, 2:53 pm

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I suppose that you could just be wired to be miserable.

sounds about right, guess i know what to do then.


Well there are two things. You could kill yourself. Though I have two thoughts about that. There is the story of a man who jumped off the Golden Gate Bridge and survived. On the way down he claims that he thought to himself "this was a really stupid thing to do".

Many years ago as an ambulance attendant I had to transport a person who did not quite succeed. She was in a persistent vegetative state.

The second thing is that I would suggest that you look at this as a problem to be solved. How much research have you done on depression, and things that can 'fix it'? As I said, there is running. I discovered that when you are low on O2, your body / mind really does not care about much else, and running does generate positive chemicals. There is also marijuana. WP people tend more to logic so why not try that route. Use logic to solve a problem. Brains can, in fact, in most cases, be re-wired to a certain extent. Might as well give it a try.
I would also try a nutrition route. Hell try everything.

And if you read the Gulag Archipelago, you may discover how wonderful your life is in comparrison to that of other people


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25 Nov 2011, 2:56 pm

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I suppose that you could just be wired to be miserable.

sounds about right, guess i know what to do then.


Well there are two things. You could kill yourself. Though I have two thoughts about that. There is the story of a man who jumped off the Golden Gate Bridge and survived. On the way down he claims that he thought to himself "this was a really stupid thing to do".

Many years ago as an ambulance attendant I had to transport a person who did not quite succeed. She was in a persistent vegetative state.

The second thing is that I would suggest that you look at this as a problem to be solved. How much research have you done on depression, and things that can 'fix it'? As I said, there is running. I discovered that when you are low on O2, your body / mind really does not care about much else, and running does generate positive chemicals. There is also marijuana. WP people tend more to logic so why not try that route. Use logic to solve a problem. Brains can, in fact, in most cases, be re-wired to a certain extent. Might as well give it a try.
I would also try a nutrition route. Hell try everything.

And if you read the Gulag Archipelago, you may discover how wonderful your life is in comparrison to that of other people


no, suicide is the only way to trully fix it



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25 Nov 2011, 4:01 pm

emlion wrote:
Basagu wrote:
emlion wrote:
Basagu wrote:
emlion wrote:
Basagu wrote:
I like how on every page he actually tells us anew how bad his life is. He just doesn`t know how bad it can really be for people.


I do find his constant down-putting of himself irritating too, however I really hate that argument. So what if someone elses life is worse? It doesn't lesson someone elses suffering. Different people can cope with different levels of suffering.


Look at people living in the slums, they learned to deal with their sh**. He should be happy to have running water.


I used to live on the street. So what? Does that make his pain any less real. No, it doesn't. Get off your high-horse.


My family lives of 5 people lives from €300 per month at the moment, i get bullied at school, i also don`t have real friends, i spent all my time doing useless stuff behind the PC, maybe i am a little depressed. I have no "remarkable" skills, my mother suffers from a personality disorder, All you can do to carry on is to deal with it.

I don`t think it makes his pain less real, but if you compare the crap you`re going through to people who got it worse SHOULD make you feel quite lucky because it could`ve been so much worse.


In that case your life has been a breeze in comparison to mine. But that is beside the point.
I just don't see why you feel the need to step on someone when they're obviously struggling as it is.
Anyway, not really my problem. Just seems a little cruel - if you dislike his whining, leaving him alone seems like the best thing to do instead of being quite rude. Just my two cents anyway.


great advice