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26 Jan 2012, 4:01 pm

so you'd discriminate against chavs based on the way they are dressed or the way they talk? you'd overlook someone in danger because you *assume* they want to be involved in a brawl?


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26 Jan 2012, 4:05 pm

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so you'd discriminate against chavs based on the way they are dressed or the way they talk?


Well, that and other things, yes. You don't know if he's armed, if he/she has five of his/her friends willing to step in, what drugs they've taken, if you can subdue them, whether anyone will back you up, what sort of criminal record he has (or if he has convictions for violence) and that sort of thing. Put it this way: a lot of even very tough people wouldn't intervene in some circumstances if the body language wasn't right.



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26 Jan 2012, 4:07 pm

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so you'd discriminate against chavs based on the way they are dressed or the way they talk?


Well, that and other things, yes. You don't know if he's armed, if he/she has five of his/her friends willing to step in, what drugs they've taken, if you can subdue them, whether anyone will back you up, what sort of criminal record he has (or if he has convictions for violence) and that sort of thing. Put it this way: a lot of even very tough people wouldn't intervene in some circumstances if the body language wasn't right.

i don't understand that at all. i am not programmed that way.


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26 Jan 2012, 4:11 pm

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i don't understand that at all. i am not programmed that way.


I don't know what Edmonton is like but here, taking on people can be quite dangerous sometimes, depending on the area and the situation. Perhaps you don't have so much of a scum element in Canada? :)



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26 Jan 2012, 4:19 pm

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i don't understand that at all. i am not programmed that way.


I don't know what Edmonton is like but here, taking on people can be quite dangerous sometimes, depending on the area and the situation. Perhaps you don't have so much of a scum element in Canada? :)

i stopped a man who was assaulting another man, most probably trying to kill him. among other situations. i live in the murder capital of Canada. my need to do what i think is right overrides fear.


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26 Jan 2012, 4:21 pm

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i stopped a man who was assaulting another man, most probably trying to kill him. among other situations.


So would you take on five knife-wielding thugs who were attacking someone, unarmed and with no back up? Let's just say you were all alone with no-one to hear you scream.



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26 Jan 2012, 4:26 pm

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i stopped a man who was assaulting another man, most probably trying to kill him. among other situations.


So would you take on five knife-wielding thugs who were attacking someone, unarmed and with no back up? Let's just say you were all alone with no-one to hear you scream.

i haven't been in that situation, but i don't see why i wouldn't based on past history. if i die trying to save someone, at least i died for a good reason. of course, i'd call the authorities first if i could. i find it hard to believe that you wouldn't step in and save someone who was in danger of dying.


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26 Jan 2012, 4:28 pm

hyperlexian wrote:
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i don't understand that at all. i am not programmed that way.


I don't know what Edmonton is like but here, taking on people can be quite dangerous sometimes, depending on the area and the situation. Perhaps you don't have so much of a scum element in Canada? :)

i stopped a man who was assaulting another man, most probably trying to kill him. among other situations. i live in the murder capital of Canada. my need to do what i think is right overrides fear.


I think that there is a strong culture of fear in this country. Also a sense of impotence. People have heard media stories of interventions gone wrong, where people have been stabbed or assaulted for trying to stop violence. While crime might not necessarily be rising, the fear of crime certainly is. People do tend to ignore potentially dangerous situations, Tequila is by far the norm in his attitude to this.

I'm not saying it's right at all, and it's one of the things I find hard about this country. Maybe it's also a loss of a sense of community, people are very much primarily concerned with the nuclear family, and protecting their own. And the rise in knife crime in certain areas of the country, and gang related crime.

Fear, suspicion, crossing the other side of the road, pretending not to notice, impotence, are all quite common here now. It's sad.



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26 Jan 2012, 4:31 pm

Henbane wrote:
hyperlexian wrote:
Tequila wrote:
hyperlexian wrote:
i don't understand that at all. i am not programmed that way.


I don't know what Edmonton is like but here, taking on people can be quite dangerous sometimes, depending on the area and the situation. Perhaps you don't have so much of a scum element in Canada? :)

i stopped a man who was assaulting another man, most probably trying to kill him. among other situations. i live in the murder capital of Canada. my need to do what i think is right overrides fear.


I think that there is a strong culture of fear in this country. Also a sense of impotence. People have heard media stories of interventions gone wrong, where people have been stabbed or assaulted for trying to stop violence. While crime might not necessarily be rising, the fear of crime certainly is. People do tend to ignore potentially dangerous situations, Tequila is by far the norm in his attitude to this.

I'm not saying it's right at all, and it's one of the things I find hard about this country. Maybe it's also a loss of a sense of community, people are very much primarily concerned with the nuclear family, and protecting their own. And the rise in knife crime in certain areas of the country, and gang related crime.

Fear, suspicion, crossing the other side of the road, pretending not to notice, impotence, are all quite common here now. It's sad.


The problem is that it's self-reinforcing as well. Law and order has broken down and, if a person does try to intervene to stop something happening, people often won't join in to lend support and to bring a peaceful end to hostilities. And the problem is that, because there is such a fear, thugs can get away with a lot more - not helped by an appallingly lenient law and order culture here that treats victims as criminals.



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26 Jan 2012, 4:38 pm

I don't think I have any stalkers. :chin:
Though I might be a bit flattered if I did.


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26 Jan 2012, 4:39 pm

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^when you can get stabbed for so much at looking at someone funny i can see why people avoid getting involved fairly often. plus it's hard to be 100% certain what's going on if you just happen to pass a situation. i've seen a woman getting hit by her bf and when another man saw and stepped in the gf started attacking him for getting involved. people are crazy and crazy is unpredictable


There is a segment of the criminal population that frankly itches for prey to assault, attack, maim and so on and will use any excuse to instigate violence against weaker people. In this sort of scenario, giving them an excuse to do it is beyond mental.

OSB: You don't know if women are in fact demented crazies. Sometimes it's safe, sometimes it's not.



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26 Jan 2012, 4:40 pm

Tequila wrote:
OSB: You don't know if women are in fact demented crazies. Sometimes it's safe, sometimes it's not.


i don't understand this bit or why it's directed at me (haha)



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26 Jan 2012, 4:41 pm

get stabbed?



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26 Jan 2012, 4:43 pm

OneStepBeyond wrote:
i don't understand this bit or why it's directed at me (haha)


Sorry, this was really poorly worded. I need shooting in the face.

What I should have said was:

OSB: You don't know if the woman in the situation that you're trying to 'rescue' is normal or, as is often the case in rougher areas, a demented nutcase herself. Sometimes it's safe to intervene, sometimes it's not.



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26 Jan 2012, 4:43 pm

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26 Jan 2012, 4:44 pm

I'm not sure 'demented nutcase' is much of an improvement in wording.