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Are you saying they would use the forum to support such efforts somehow? Or are you referring to the bigger picture in general?

In any event, if there are indeed people out there who are reading this thread and faking a diagnosis in order to obtain some benefit from the government, please allow me to dispel such foolish notions:


At least where I live, there is almost no government support whatsoever for Aspies over 24. As for special work considerations, that is quite hard to manage. I have an advocate through the DRC and it hasn't really done much of anything for me work wise. Also, from what I hear, getting on disability through SRS(at least in the U.S.) is an incredibly time-consuming and arduous process, for little return.

I'm afraid I have no idea what a social cachet is.

I've seen people on forums frequented more by NTs claim to have Asperger's after they act like complete jerkwads, which angers me to no end, but I don't see how that would apply here.

Get that we're a distrustful bunch in general(and with damn good reason), but if these forums aren't the best place online to give one the benefit of the doubt, where is precisely?

There are a lot of people on here that give me the same impression of what somebody with AS would act like...and I enjoy reading their posts and sensing familiarity with their words. Then there are what I call 'others'. They irritate me with behaviour that I believe would rarely show in people with AS because of the life lessons and hardships that these individuals experience. This is just my opinion (wouldn't expect to have to say that) and I'm not an expert (or that) but it works for me to give an individual enough benefit from my doubt that I don't lose it...then I just no longer notice them. It works for me.

Are you by chance inferring a bubblier, happier demeanor amongst these "others" than the Aspie poster baseline? If so, that is an interesting benchmark to use. Indeed myself and most other Aspies I've met have been disaffected by the world since middle school.

I do know someone well over 24 who got workplace considerations after 'achieving' his DX (something which, on his own account, he worked very hard and studied up for as only an autist can).

I don't know what the situation is here in Oz. But I imagine if people are able to prove a disability - and whether AS without associated secondary mental illness would qualify is moot; it's more the disability/inability to work aspect that proves the case - they would in Oz be eligible for sickness benefits or possibly even disability pension.

Confers shallow social credit/respect amongst airheads, as would a Dolce & Gabbana handbag.

Understandable annoyance. Then again, I suppose there is nothing that guarantees any individual aspie is not also a low form of life - like, there's neurology and then there's personality. Plenty of margin for error in anyone's individual makeup! Actually, though, I suppose the Asperger's descriptor does confer some kind of extra latitude in behavioural mores, don't you think?

Yup. Thanks for (I think) agreeing.

Sorry for the lack of a more complicated quote tree. I'm posting from an iPad, which makes such things more difficult.

In regards to the workplace thing: are you at liberty to detail precisely what considerations? For me, it's pretty much "call me directly if there is a schedule change".

On the disability front: I suppose it makes it easier if one is already not working and living on government assistance. I've never bothered as I've been working some job or another since I was 15. I've recently tried contacting vocational rehabilitation in my area to see if they can find me a job type where I interact with people less, but as I'm already working, even with them having multiple documentation on my diagnoses, they are dragging their feet.

Social cachet: so is the implication then that Asperger's is in some way an en vogue thing to have at the moment? God I hate popular culture.

For the jerk wad thing: I agree that it likely does confer more latitutude, which is why some people lie and hide behind it. In at least some of the cases I am referring to, the individual in question did so after saying something racist or homophobic, which I find inexcusable. Furthermore,mif one says something offensive, even if inadvertently(which for us aspies, is more often than not), one should present their diagnosis as part of an apology, not an excuse.

On the last bit: yes, we are in agreement. It is my intent to show trust here and to hopefully earn it from others as well. But at the very least, we should trust that people here are being honest about the type of person they feel/say they are until,proven otherwise. Truth will out.

No, not bubblier. The aspies that I talk to are easy to talk to because there are almost no misunderstandings. We just get each other. Over time it was nice to discover that the need to include what I call 'disclaimers' during a conversation to hopefully avoid unintended meaning, including the dreaded unintended offence, tapered off. Also, overly detailed explanations of concepts in order to be fully understood become less necessary. I can just relax and be myself.

For those that I cannot do this with...well, I'm not accusing them of anything...variation in personality and thought process occurs in any group...bu whatever the cause of this incompatibility is, I would miss out on the great conversations I could be having if I persisted with those that I couldn't naturally relate to. I refuse to draw conclusions that I cannot substantiate...but in some cases my suspicions remain.

Wouldn't that be more indicative of the time spent with those individuals leading to a sort of community and mutual understanding, and the outsiders simply haven't had the time to acclimate?

Or even if so, as the saying goes: "if you've met one person with Asperger's, you've met one Aspie."

With all the variations of symptoms and expressions of such among those on the spectrum, would it not then be likely that even among a group of Aspies, there'd be some that didn't click? Keep in mind as well that online Aspies are not even necessarily a fair representation of the general population of those on the spectrum.

Or are you saying instead that the outsiders as you call them seem more to pantomime symptoms instead of actually expressing them?

No worries. The way you have done your replies means it is not hard to follow.

I'm a big sketchy on the detail, not having been directly involved. But, as I understand the situation, this guy hit close to meltdown from the usual downstream effects of staffing attrition - a more or less permanent state of flux in job requirements, increased workload and increased direct client contact, the main stressor for him. His DX meant they excluded him from the extra client contact. But I think they also agreed to better handling and notice of duty changes and the like. It helped that the workplace had a vested interest in maintaining a reputation for equal opportunity and disability accommodation.

I'm sorry, I have no direct personal knowledge of this, being unlikely to receive a DX and not living in your country. I've never lasted longer than 12 months at a time in full-time employment and have developed different strategies from what you are likely to need. It seems to me, though - if I may draw on my own general experience - that if you need accommodations in your existing workplace and are not up to handling the negotiations yourself (some might, though most would not be), having energetic specialist advocacy would be an essential component for success.

(Me too! Except for some music, of course.) I have heard somewhere, very second-hand, that lots of Hollywooders are coming out with Asperger's. There is a strand of popular culture that could be thought quite aspie in its dynamics, in that some feel a need to copy [rich and famous] people in order to acquire an acceptable social identity!! ! LOL That it is dynamically aspie as well as seeking to acquire aspieness is too perfect a circle for me to cope with just now. ROFLMAO

Now I understand your point much better and it is well put. Yes, to use something as an excuse without making amends means you're not sorry and have not recognised your mistake. Therefore you don't care if you will repeat it. Racism and homophobia are actually things one cannot apologise for at all, in my view; one must remake oneself to be rid of these things from the inside.

That sounds good!

Good god man, are you reaching so deeply into this in order to prepare for your next character?

No, some people I just click with, which is new for me, and others I just don't have any affinity for. The point is the extreme differences between the two when I would expect a spectrum to exist. Hope that makes it clearer.

Also, the groups can be divided by how I perceive their motivations to be on WP.
Some seem to want to express themselves in an environment with like minds, feel free to express themselves, and generally enjoy the experience without contributing to or initiating conflict. Then there are those that I see indicating the opposite. I would think that most aspies experience enough conflict and difficulty in the greater world to want to perpetuate the same in what should be their haven for respite.

By the way, I am a big fan of your work Sir Hopkins...can't wait to see your next film.

Heh. Fair enough. And while I have been an actor in the past(local stage productions and a bit part in a B movie), I sadly cannot claim fame or fortune.

But I think I grasp your point. The outsiders can be most simply categorized as Individuals looking to incite conflict in the community, yes?

Anyhow, apologies for the amount of questions I posited. I tend to employ a mixture of a Socratic and professorial approach in my posting style, as it seems to allow me to better parse and relay information.

Oh and also: in the event the Anthony Hopkins joke was based on my avatar: it is not in fact Anthony Hopkins. It is instead one Sylvester McCoy, formerly the 7th Doctor on Doctor Who and also Radaghast the Brown in the upcoming Hobbit films.

Now that I see you Avatar on my big screen I recognise the actor...on my iPhone it had a likeness for Anthony Hopkins...

I think I've done that to you. XD

Ok.

Translation: Aspie-men think they're creepy during/after social encounters.

Translation: Do we have to behave as neurotypicals - on a forum for people on the spectrum - or else we're creepy?

Translation: I have a feeling that someone on the forum is using other members' gullibility to oppress men specifically. Don't know why. Simple man-hate? Power hungriness?

Aspie-men are extremely easy targets with skewed points of views (also regarding women) that do all the mistakes that make creepiness-alarms go off.

Yeah...

I can't find any mails to or from you. I can't have deleted them...? I never delete anything.

Oh, it was ages ago... If I did it. XD It might have just been on a thread. And someone's been searching their messages frantically, it seems. XD