Why don't more women make the first move?
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Upperhands and power games is not something I've ever really comprehended. I guess I can see why they wouldn't want to give it up. But it still makes them jerks, imo.
There are a few innate inequalities amongst the sexes, that cannot be equalized. Men will always be physically stronger, on average, and women will likely always be the one to carry the child to term.
Men and women will likely, in general, continue to have a different order of priorities when it comes to romantic relationships.
When I think of the women's liberation movement, I think of women striving for equality in the sense of being perceived as an intellectual equal. Women getting equal pay for equal work, and so on. And I think of this in the context of the history of the treatment and perceptions of women in western society, and sometimes previous societies.
When I think of young boys being told to "treat women with respect" however, I do not envision this to mean treat women special, as if they should be kept on a pedestal. I take this phrase as intended to mean that women should be treated as intellectual equals. Unfortunately I think too many misunderstood this to mean treat women special, and breeds false expectations of how women should act in return.
I believe both sexes should treat each other with respect and regard each other more or less as intellectual equals. I don't have a problem with women approaching men, or approaching them myself, but that does not change that fact that many women won't do this. However, when put in it's socio-historic context, I don't think it's fair to be upset with women who will not approach men. Nor is it fair to be jealous of men who got women because they approached them.
Concerning holding doors and paying for dates, I have no reservations about each party paying for their own meal. In fact I prefer to pay for my own meal when I can as I do not like being a burden on others. Concerning holding doors, I do not expect men to hold doors for me any more than I expect anyone else to hold a door for me. I thank those who do hold doors for me and I routinely hold doors for anyone entering a building behind me. However many men get somewhat offended when women attempt to hold doors for them or move to open a door themselves when he was going to do it.
And then there are the things we cannot equalize. As the sex that is blessed with greater physical strength, I believe men have an obligation to aid those who are not as physically strong as they are in emergency situations, when feasible. This includes the elderly, women, and children. Likewise, women are also expected to aid those who are not as physically strong as they are, but it's unlikely a man would fall into this category.
I also believe women have certain responsibilities to men in certain situations, but I do not have enough time to elaborate on that at the moment. I will do so later.
and men will always be the cheapest dispensable tools by governments/rulers in the times of war.
That's an entirely different subject beyond the control of women (some of whom would like to be able to fill military combat positions).
Responsibilities I believe women have in this society (some men as well of course)
Women have a responsibility to respect men and their emotions. Just because someone is physically strong doesn't they are any mentally or psychologically stronger than someone who is not.
Women are often tasked with the responsibility of being the primary child care giver.
I believe in emergency situations, when men are busy trying to physically protect/rescue others, women have a responsibility to tend to every thing else, whether this be looking after children and the elderly who have already been rescued, or assisting injured individuals, and so on.
If a woman has chosen to be a home maker, then she has a responsibility to tend to domestic things while her husband or partner is at work. This goes for men who have chosen to be home makers as well.
I think this sums things up relatively well.

I'm thinking AI threatens to make us obsolete there as well, what with the HR costs such as medical benefits and lifetime pay as well as college funding for vets - especially for those who come back disabled.

hahahaahhaha
Americans....they think that the whole world is blessed like their country.
Man, soldiers in the third-world are seen as nothing but rats to sacrifice with.
Everyone gets treated like sh!t in third world countries.
It's why they're third world countries.
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This is what happened, more or less, for me and my first "boyfriend" (Or ignorance relationship). He repeatedly hinted that he liked me, etc, then I asked him out and he fled after saying yes o_O
I know, veeery late joining this chat, but just wanted my two cents there xD
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Upperhands and power games is not something I've ever really comprehended. I guess I can see why they wouldn't want to give it up. But it still makes them jerks, imo.
There are a few innate inequalities amongst the sexes, that cannot be equalized. Men will always be physically stronger, on average, and women will likely always be the one to carry the child to term.
Men and women will likely, in general, continue to have a different order of priorities when it comes to romantic relationships.
When I think of the women's liberation movement, I think of women striving for equality in the sense of being perceived as an intellectual equal. Women getting equal pay for equal work, and so on. And I think of this in the context of the history of the treatment and perceptions of women in western society, and sometimes previous societies.
When I think of young boys being told to "treat women with respect" however, I do not envision this to mean treat women special, as if they should be kept on a pedestal. I take this phrase as intended to mean that women should be treated as intellectual equals. Unfortunately I think too many misunderstood this to mean treat women special, and breeds false expectations of how women should act in return.
I believe both sexes should treat each other with respect and regard each other more or less as intellectual equals. I don't have a problem with women approaching men, or approaching them myself, but that does not change that fact that many women won't do this. However, when put in it's socio-historic context, I don't think it's fair to be upset with women who will not approach men. Nor is it fair to be jealous of men who got women because they approached them.
Concerning holding doors and paying for dates, I have no reservations about each party paying for their own meal. In fact I prefer to pay for my own meal when I can as I do not like being a burden on others. Concerning holding doors, I do not expect men to hold doors for me any more than I expect anyone else to hold a door for me. I thank those who do hold doors for me and I routinely hold doors for anyone entering a building behind me. However many men get somewhat offended when women attempt to hold doors for them or move to open a door themselves when he was going to do it.
And then there are the things we cannot equalize. As the sex that is blessed with greater physical strength, I believe men have an obligation to aid those who are not as physically strong as they are in emergency situations, when feasible. This includes the elderly, women, and children. Likewise, women are also expected to aid those who are not as physically strong as they are, but it's unlikely a man would fall into this category.
I also believe women have certain responsibilities to men in certain situations, but I do not have enough time to elaborate on that at the moment. I will do so later.
and men will always be the cheapest dispensable tools by governments/rulers in the times of war.
That's an entirely different subject beyond the control of women (some of whom would like to be able to fill military combat positions).
Men's worst enemies/torturers are.....men.
I think Chronos has a pretty balanced view and I agree with her points.
Just for the sake of the topic: I think my current husband may have been the first guy who ever came on to me. Everyone else I asked out/expressed feelings for first. Additionally, I have never had anyone pay for me on a date and have routinely been extremely confused whenever a male attempted to open a door for me. I would stand there and be like .. uh why aren't you going through? Because I just never considered gender a reason to act differently toward someone.
That being said, I actually don't have a problem with "traditional" gender roles because in many ways it suits them. They just usually have a better aptitude for those things than the other gender.
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If anything, I was more overwhelmed than scared. And yes, I did hint whether it was unintentional/tongue-in-cheek or not.
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