Double standards in society?(offtopic discussion earlier thr

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So you're saying is that because they havent posted proof it makes your lack of proof not matter thus you win the argument?

Simple logic says that the active role is harder than the passive one. Being hit on by creeps now and then is a small price to pay.

Pretty much this. And at the end of the day this is the LOVE AND DATING forum so any discussions will be about LOVE AND DATING. Not all the other stuff that is often mentioned in these double standard arguments

"silly pseudo-philosophical blather", "feminist college term paper" And the best one:
"I'm still waiting for someone to do something other than declaring, "Men have it harder, so nanny-nanny-boo!" and then running away. "


Comedy Gold.

But, really, as the mod's have said - "members have a right to sound as stupid as they wish", so let's leave the troll to continue, sit back, keep reading and laughing.

There's double-standards all over the place, not just for men vs. women but also the "popular crowd" vs. the "outsiders", etc.

In the office, women get to wear all kinds of outfits from skimpy to business suits, open shoes as airy as sandals, etc.
The men get saddled with shirts, ties and hot, sweaty shoes.

The cool crowd can do just about anything they want in the workplace, the outsiders get micromanaged and berated for the slightest infraction (makes managers feel good.)

Men have to face the very real aspects of public rejection, ridicule, harassment and lawsuit when approaching a woman for a date or even conversation. Women have to worry about being beaten up or used for sex... or both. (In this day of legal action does this seriously still continue??)
Both sexes need to worry about being royally screwed over by their partner later in the relationship...

...and on and on and on...

Better? Worse? Naw - just different.

THANK YOU!! Thank you for that very mature outlook!

No consenting women are being used for sex.

BlueMax, tell me about the shoes, man, what a pain! Due to the job, I'm constantly wearing out pairs of monks almost every four months, and they don't come cheap - usually I get around by going for the sale shoes, where as the girls can get by with black pumps/trainers at about a quarter to a third of what I'm paying, without half the hassle!

Although, I always look good - if I wanted I could just change worktop for shirt after shift and be in the pub within half an hour!

And please, let's not get started on what "counts" as a fag break and what doesn't. Oh man!

Pretty much.

But the OP does sound like they wanted an argument knowing that the male members would go against her.

Myself? I am not that fussed about the whole aspect but I would have to agree only slightly that men do have to jump through hoops...but that is my own experience of what is accepted in this world.

Good point... regretting your heated passion the next day does NOT mean he "raped" you.

Correct. A woman who is picked up at a bar isn't used for sex and it sure as hell isn't rape.

Consent & Capacity are difficult legal terminology that are prime ground for the whole rape accusation (Which is pretty much the death penalty) that ladies know by heart

Honestly, I've actually walked away from at least THREE opportunities where the girl was at a bar but drunk and happy. Each time, I've repeatedly thought "Would it be rape?" & "Would I be safe from any rape crap if I did" - every time I've concluded it's safer not to bother. I'm an nice guy, who isn't violent, stalking, etc...with a career in a field that having a clean slate is essential, Why risk everything?

And to be honest, I am getting fairly f****d off dealing with that looming axe over my head just because of my gender when I'm out with friends or at the bar or anywhere. They didn't seem to mind flashing at me, but then again they could have their fun and turn around and start wailing wolf and I'd be up s**t alley faster than Usain Bolt.

If only I was in a relationship, I wouldn't have this s**t to deal with as well.

Anecdotally, I would have to say unreported rape is far more common than falsely reported rape.

It's a tough issue but I think if you are genuinely nice, and not the sort that is polite but seething underneath, you have little to worry about in this regard.

Nobody has claimed otherwise. Unreported rape is even more likely to be by someone you know, though—and by someone who is or at least has been very close.

You shouldn't sleep with drunk chicks unless you're drunk yourself, though.

I haven't been to a bar in over a decade, no worries there.

Ok, my turn.

Very simple, when every individual is included as it is with a sample size of 5 billion minus those who are not engaging in the aforementioned actions, the highs and lows will average out. Hence there is no need for data from each individual, the whole dataset is sufficient. This is accepted methodology for all statistics related to large sample sizes, from election polls in countries with hundreds of millions of citizens to gross domestic product for every country in the world (some of which have billions of inhabitants). This is a priori knowledge.

There is no need to quantify subjective experience of each individual as the subjects even each other out to an average for all subjects. If understanding these statements are too hard for you, you shouldn't be trying to argue against them. You create this hurdle as yet another example of creating an argument which cannot be proven wrong by the available means, I can assert that there is a teapot orbiting the moon, but that said teapot is not observable in any manner, and yet assume it an a priori requirement for all teapot related discussions, but doing so it not logically sound.



An assertion is a claim which there is no evidence for. Men do tend to pay on 2/3rds of first dates, according to the multiple statistics linked from http://dating.about.com/od/trickydating ... hopays.htm

Within the Western cultural paradigm the man is expected to be the approacher while the woman is the one being approached. No, citation is needed for this as it is common knowledge amongst human beings within said cultural paradigm and thus is a priori knowledge.

It follows that if men are expected to be the approacher (active act), then women are the ones who are approached (passive act) then the women agreeing to go out with/sleep with or whatever the man, it then follows that the woman elects whether or not to go do so. If not its rape and not a part of this discussion.

You see how that goes "First sentence backs second sentence, and the two together creates the conclusion in the third sentence"? That's called "an argument" not "an assertion".

Also note that "harder" in this case would have to be a multi-faceted construct which includes everything which is a result of effort. Money is a result of time + effort, expending that money is the equivalent of expending the time and effort it took to obtain it, however money is only one part of the multiple things. Hence why my sentence was a collection of various expenditures of effort on the part of the man, but in no way a complete list. Which you then elected to straw-man into "women pay more for outfits" because you can't make a good argument if I put a gun to your head.




Now, besides the irony of making a post whining about how people just declare things and run away, where you just whine and run away. Then laying the ground-work for the "I lose but I'll pretend I didn't to protect my feeble sense of self, my false confidence in my own value and intelligence, and my false sense that I have any value to anyone at all" fallacy. A "dark cycle" in love and dating is not when men decide, "Hey, why not tell some of the women that they are full of s**t instead of fawning over them" it is what you consider a bad thing because someone like you who offer so little can actually only get validation and thus derive a sense of self-worth when you are give a pass and are praised based on your genitalia rather than your intelligence.

In other words, the only value men see in you is having sex with you, the only way they know to get it is to suck up to you in the faint hope that you may put out.