The UCSB shooter--an Aspie with a rant against women

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Same here its not helping with the steriotypes at all. In a way its being sexist towards men who are lonely and such most dont do such horrible acts. Why cant we agree that some people just snap and go psycho and kill people for a**hole reasons?

Bogus. Your comments also disappeared and were edited in my quotations of what you wrote - you can't edit my posts. I think we've had a demonstration that increased active moderation on WP does not mean open season on men. In this case, I really don't mind the moderators editing my quote of what you wrote out of my post. It's very cool and reassuring that they are applying the new vigilance without gender bias. Everything I've seen the moderators do indicates they would not make imbalanced decisions. So, maybe it's time to rethink man bashing.

You're right that other men value other men over that too much, but there a lot of instances of women who do it too.

Here's one: http://www.wrongplanet.net/postt162642.html

But again, I strongly believe that it's that guy's belief in hatred against women who led him to a such act and not the lack of sex. Do you think that if that guy was married he would treat his wife non-violently?

oh please--to compare tarantella's very rational statement (which is well supported by research btw, look into it if you don't believe me/her) to what that piece of s**t said before he went out and killed 6 innocent people because you are upset that women are starting to talk about cracking down on sexism and misogyny on this site is really petty and completely without class. revolting.

See, and this by itself -- "worthy of being with a woman" -- you know, it turns the woman into a thing, a prize. And then you get the seriously annoying thing where the woman's saying, "I really like you," and the guy's like, "Shut up, I'm not good enough, get out of my face." Because she's screwing with the game and the achievement of winning a prize. If you need to win a prize, play cards.

And I doubt that many women are all that fantastic at sex, either. We're just critters, you know, not everybody's going to be a sack artist. When it comes down to it, there's a sizeable chunk of the population that doesn't even like sex all that much. And I've yet to hear of a marriage that's decades of happy humping. For an awful lot of women, anyway, sex goes along with expense, ailment, and fear -- contraceptives cause physical problems and have side effects, plus are expensive, and then there's always the risk of STDs and pregnancy. Not to mention garden-variety pain. People have all kinds of problems with the reproductive parts. Great sex is a magnificent thing, but I think it's very much the exception, not the rule.

I think for most the pizza rule applies -- not all pizza's great pizza, but even meh pizza's pretty good. Unless you're sick, or lactose-intolerant, or whatever, in which case leave it alone.

I edited my post, then edited my quote in a reply to a post in which you quoted me. If the mods are in the mood to edit sexism, then I say hooray. But afaics that's not what happened here. You'd have to ask them, though.

I think all the images the media plus peer pressure and expectations hurts both men and women in this way. But yeah there are women bad in the sack as well i sometimes get more pleasure through masturbation. Im not going to tell my partner shes not good in bed though just praise her for trying and knowing shes having a good time as well.

Interesting. Have you seen anyone here try to couple male members of this site to the shooter based on supposed sexist posts, by likening them to his video rant? Yes, you have. What do you have to say about that coupling?

I'm not disputing that you deleted from your posts and the copies. But, you can't edit from my posts. A lot disappeared from more than one of my posts. Again, I'm very glad to see that. Some of us had the creepy feeling that expanded moderation might create some self-appointed cops trying to use the rules to imbalance the forum. I'm glad to see the moderators cleaning things up in an impartial way.

that from what i've seen of the L&D subforum, it's accurate--i've seen posts that were, barring the "shooting blonde sluts" bit, eerily reminiscent of that transcript that's been posted of the killer's last video. and that correlation scares and disturbs me.

I don't think any of this should be censored.

I understand the feminist-historical viewpoint about men and women, about how men dominated women, etc.

I just don't want people to assume that I am possessed of the characteristics of the stereotypical "man" by default!! !

I don't have a trophy case of "conquests." I was a rather promiscous person when I was in my 20s. It wasn't something to brag about--I would rather have had only one special person--but that wasn't meant to be. I reiterated--it wasn't something to brag about. The quality of our relationships was rather low--and I felt really low. I blame myself--not my partners.

From my early 30's through to my 50's, I've only had relations with three women, one of whom is my wife. There are times when I wished I had "started over again." But what's done is done.


I'm not a metrosexual type. I just enjoy a virtuous relationship, one based upon intellectual kinship, as well as physical kinship. I believe in some of the trappings which might seem of a bygone era--such as holding doors for women, attempting to be chivarlrous, complimenting women on what might seem like "surface" features, such as their mode of dress or their eyes. No matter what anybody says, I will continue to do these things. If a woman doesn't like it, then I won't do it.

I, personally, do not like to be related to in a default matter--like I'm a stereotypical man. I want to be related to as a person who happens to be a man.

As for the murder, I am unconditionally of the opinion that the guy was deranged, felt entitled, and did not deserve to be of this world. I guess we could go back and try to find "motivations." I believe this is a valid pursuit--but I also believe it somehow "excuses" the behavior in some way, and provides inducements for others to act in this manner, since these others could claim "motivations" as well to employ in justifying what these others did.

This would produce copycat actions, just like these recent mass murders--to some extent, are copycat actions.

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Then, in principle, you agree with my comment.

As someone who has walked that particular line of consideration, I think where misogyny and a sense of entitlement to the bodies and affections of women is exhibited, it is quite just. Nothing happens in a vacuum.

The extremity of his acting out - and particularly his ideation of how the acting out would/should go - aside, there is a lot of overlap between the killer's attitude and some of the attitudes displayed here and many other places. It's nothing new. The killer had a particular toxic mix, but to make like his misogyny and entitlement i) is novel, ii) had little bearing on his actions and iii) was something like an accident such that the focus of his hate could just as easily have been, say, window cleaners, is bollocks.

What, you mean the part where up to the bit about murder plans, he's ranting about how women won't touch him and how angry he is about that, and how it's women's fault because he's a terrific guy? Just that it's a trope common enough in our culture that it shows up plenty here, too. And, unless it's moderated, it's regarded as an acceptable way of talking about women.

Which is perhaps part of why nearly 12,000 US women in the last 13 years are dead at the hands of their husbands or boyfriends. Or why one in five women in the US reports having been raped. Or why the problem's bad and pervasive enough that we've had to have federal laws specifically to do with violence against women. Or why it's so well-known that divorce is a dangerous time for women and their children, particularly if the woman initiates the divorce. Or why domestic violence considerations have to be written into child custody law.

This is before we get to less dramatic, but just as mundane things to do with street harassment, workplace discrimination and harassment, and sexual discrimination in hiring.

I'm not surprised that this guy decided his problem was that women are evil. There were plenty of people ready to hand him that story. The more it gets circulated as a reasonable thing, the more dangerous and difficult life is for women. The same thing's true of other forms of hate speech, which is why hate crimes carry extra penalties.

what comment do i agree with?

Have you read Brownmiller?