Beta males - why do woman dislike them?

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any guy who is talking "beta males" is a devotee of PUA stuff -- which may well be why women are giving the dude wide berth.

The PUA approach is premised on guys not just wanting sex with women but feeling ENTITLED to sex with women -- and therefore "wronged" if a woman doesn't "give" them the sex to which they feel entitled.

The PUA approach aims to teach men how to manipulate women into bed -- over-entitled and gross, yes, but also just plain PATHETIC since any guy using it clearly cannot get a girl without playing mysoginistic head games.

I have no idea what the PUA is, but there are plenty of females that will lead a guy on, have the guy take them out to dinner and spend money on them, but won't give them anything in return. If the females in question would just politely state "Thank you, but I'm just not interested." a lot of hassle and frustrated could be avoided. Instead we get a lot of females bitching and moaning that all guys want is sex, well if you lead a guy on and have him spend all this money on you, of course he's going to get upset. That's like going to a car dealership, paying a down payment and the car dealer getting pissed at you because you expect to bring home a car. This is why it's never good to take a woman out to anywhere expensive when first meeting them. I have seen guys get used time and time again for their money. I even have a friend who was dating a girl that he would constantly spend money on and she wouldn't have sex with him. They dated for 5 months and they never had sex once. He came to find out that she was a hooker and she was seeing clients while they were dating.

I am the Friggin' Wolfman!

I don't care what Greek letter I am--and it varies by the day, anyway.

I'm never Alpha, though (except in my Walter Mitty fantasies).

The reason why height doesn't matter is because we are the same height when we make love.

[quite] I have no idea what the PUA is, but there [/quote]

Pick Up Artists. Like in Neil Strauss' "The Game" and as featured in Elliot Rodgers' pre-murderous spree videos and manifesto.

"BUT WON'T GIVE THEM ANYTHING IN RETURN" ?!?!,?

Dude. If you want to be guaranteed sex on a date, hire a hooker.

No woman is OBLIGATED to anything sexually for a guy who asked her out just because he bought her dinner.



I, like most girls, accept dates from guys I'm interested in and would like to get to know a bit better. That's called, well, dating.

AGREEING TO A DATE DOESN'T ENTITLE A DUDE TO SEX. Ever.

If you don't want to spend tons of money on dates... nobody can MAKE you. If you think girls are only agreeing to go out with you so you can pay for them to go to an expensive club or restaurant, invite them out for a coffee or to check out an art gallery (or whatever) on a night that it is free. The just-want-you-for-your-money girls will say no.

STOP BITCHING ABOUT THE MONEY YOU SPENT. Seriously. Hire a hooker.




A car is an object that is for SALE. A woman is NOT AN OBJECT and is NOT AVAILABLE FOR PURCHASE. Huge difference.

How do you not know that?



Where to even begin....

1. Your friend was dating a girl. Your friend was seeing her PERSONALLY, not professionally. In that context, he was not entitled to have sex with her.

2. You're overlooking your friend's CHOICES in this little scenario: he kept asking her out. He kept offering to pay for stuff out on dates. If he felt he was getting taken advantage of, he had the option of NOT ASKING HER OUT ANYMORE.

3. So the girl was hooker. He kept asking her out. If he didn't want to be dating a hooker in a PERSONAL capacity, he could have stopped asking her out.

4. How long you have to have been dating before you are comfy having sex with them is a PERSONAL choice -- for some it's 1 date, for others it's a year of dating. AGAIN, if your friend CHOSE to keep asking out a woman who wasn't willing to have sex with him yet. If he was unhappy about the no sex thing, he had the option to stop asking her out.

It's super-annoying that you think it's the woman's fault your friend was supposedly taken advantage of.

Didn't read your whole post, but this is actually what I'm talking about. I didn't say women should sleep with a guy after the first date, what I stated was girls will use and manipulate men and feminists feel that that is okay. Now, if you're upfront with a guy and let him know right away, that you are also talking to other guys, BEFORE he takes you out, that's fair. There is no reason for you to get so upset over what I wrote. You really should calm down. I probably just ruined your whole day from you reading my statement. You're too emotionally invested. This is just a web forum. "Women are not objects." I never said they were, you're manipulating what I said. I was using an analogy. Isn't it funny how quick you were to state that? Let's say the roles are reversed and a guy lead a woman on. She'd pick him up, take him places, drive him to work, buy him nice clothes, and he just goes off and has sex with someone else. Is that fair? I'm sure you would be upset by that, but when a woman does it, it's somehow fine. Also, did you just justify my friend's ex?

Okay, so I did read your whole post now. He didn't keep asking her out, they were dating. He let her stay with him rent free. When he went to work, she would have sex with guys IN HIS HOUSE. Is that fair, or is my friend's fault that she slept around with all these different guys, but never slept with him? Maybe it is his fault, I mean after all he does have a penis.

Feminism is a belief that women are equal (and as equally capable) as men -- it has nothing to do with dating "tactics".

A man cannot be manipulated by a woman without his consent (and vice-versa). Not returning the call of an allegedly manipulative is girl is a 100% guaranteed way to not get manipulated by her.



Um, no. I get to know guys by dating them -- if I enjoyed their company I will accept/extend an invite for another date. Unless a conversation about dating EXCLUSIVELY has been had and both parties have agreed to date exclusively, both parties are free to see however many other people as they like. I'll honestly answer "yes" if a guy I'm casually (not exclusively) dating asks if I'm seeing other guys (and I'll assume any guy dating me casually is also seeing other girls).

If I haven't gotten to know a guy by casually dating him, I don't know him well enough to know if I want to date him exclusively (and vice-versa).

I don't consider the casual dating phase "manipulative", so, um, what is there to "tell" a guy before he takes me out?

"I probably won't have sex with you on this date, so you shouldn't spent $25 to buy me dinner".

"I don't know you from Adam, will be seeing other guys unless/until we have a conversation about dating exclusively"

Help me out here. Trying to imagine how that sort of disclosure would go.... oooooh, wait, better idea. The GUY should "warn" me ahead of dates.

"This will be third time we go out, I've spent $50 on you during those dates so far and would like to take you out to dinner on Saturday night IF AND ONLY IF you're gonna have sex with me. Otherwise it's a waste of money and you're a manipulative b***h. Are we on for Saturday?".





Your sense of over-entitlement to have sex with girls is appallingly galling.

Wrong, Egalitarianism is the belief of everyone being equal. Feminism is no longer about women's rights, but merely women wanting to have special privileges over men, which they do now, because of Feminism. Self defense laws favor women, women usually make out well when it comes to divorce, men have to pay alimony EVEN after divorce, and the list goes on. Also, I find it hilarious that you never denied being too emotionally invested in what I have to write. You just resorted to calling me appalling.

You didn't even mention my friend and his ex, which tells me that you don't think his ex did anything wrong. In which case means that, you have a very messed up concept of morality.

Was she his girlfriend?

Well, your friend's ex didn't do anything wrong -- she was a sex worker, she was employed while she dated your friend and didn't have sex with him during the course of a five-month relationship.

What planet are you living on? Care to list the "special privileges" women now have? Self-defense laws favor women, how, exactly? Particularly given the ongoing epidemic of domestic violence, 98+% of which is perpetrated by men on women?

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/5959776

Women earn 78 cents for every $1 earned by a man, are far more likely to be poor, are far more likely to end up poor and caring for kids in the wake of a divorce, and, well, Massachusetts and ended its archaic alimony law way back in 2012.
I think you're just bitter that, clearly, the female population has your number and avoids you like the plague. It's gotta suck to go through life really, truly believing you're entitled to
sex just because you've bought a girl dinner a few times.

I usually agree with you a lot, but this is just crazy. She took advantage of his naivety and also hid something very important, keeping to do her job in his house while he was working to get money for the both of them.
I think what you people don't understand is that doing something which is not illegal does not mean that you are doing something good or that you are a good person. She did nothing illegal but she still is scum and a horrible person.

Um, I only saw the part of the story that his friend spent a lot of money on dates with a girl who didn't have sex with him during their 5 month relationship and who he later found out worked as a hooker. Based on that info only, I still contend the ex did nothing wrong.

He said nothing about living with the girlfriend, the GF entertaining clients in HIS home nor whether he asked the GF what she did for a living.

Oh if you didn't see it it's ok, hopefully we agree on her now. If they dated for 5 months and were living together it is very very very likely that she just avoided to tell him about that.