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25 May 2016, 3:28 pm

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After a recent experience I have been thinking about the impact of relationship related loneliness on men, and Im curious to know what aspects of romantic companionship the WP chaps desire?


I suppose I probably want a lady who will help me to become a better person inside. Someone whose presence will help me to feel less pessimistic and more optimistic, to smile more and to just feel better within. Someone who will help teach me to become more patient, tolerant and forgiving, to let go of bitterness and resentment, and to help me become less materialistic and less self-absorbed. If not for feeling happier within, and becoming a better person, I don't see the point of getting into a relationship.



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25 May 2016, 3:54 pm

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Amity wrote:
After a recent experience I have been thinking about the impact of relationship related loneliness on men, and Im curious to know what aspects of romantic companionship the WP chaps desire?


I suppose I probably want a lady who will help me to become a better person inside. Someone whose presence will help me to feel less pessimistic and more optimistic, to smile more and to just feel better within. Someone who will help teach me to become more patient, tolerant and forgiving, to let go of bitterness and resentment, and to help me become less materialistic and less self-absorbed. If not for feeling happier within, and becoming a better person, I don't see the point of getting into a relationship.


You have it backwards. It's not what you can do for me, it's what I can do for you.



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25 May 2016, 4:19 pm

i_wanna_blue wrote:
Amity wrote:
After a recent experience I have been thinking about the impact of relationship related loneliness on men, and Im curious to know what aspects of romantic companionship the WP chaps desire?


I suppose I probably want a lady who will help me to become a better person inside. Someone whose presence will help me to feel less pessimistic and more optimistic, to smile more and to just feel better within. Someone who will help teach me to become more patient, tolerant and forgiving, to let go of bitterness and resentment, and to help me become less materialistic and less self-absorbed. If not for feeling happier within, and becoming a better person, I don't see the point of getting into a relationship.


That is an awful lot to ask of a romantic partner. Are you willing to teach a prospective girlfriend to be more optimistic, more tolerant and forgiving, etc.?



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25 May 2016, 5:09 pm

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I'm 37 and have never had any kind of romantic relationship. I wasn't diagnosed with Aspergers until I was 28 and had never even heard of it prior to that so growing up, I had no idea why I was the way I was. I always thought I'd grow out of it. I've never had more than a couple of friends at any given time and have never been a part of a group of friends. I've always been frustrated around some holidays because the friends I do/did have would have a group of friends. So a holiday is coming up and I ask Friend A if he wants to get together and he says he can't because he has plans with his big group of friends, so I ask Friend B and he has the same situation so I'm left alone. I don't really have any friends right now, so my life consists of coming home from work and staying home and watching TV until I go to bed. On Fridays, I go to my brother's after work where we just watch TV or a movie at his place. Not much, but at least it's someone I can talk to.

Its good that you have a brother that you get on well with, though it doesn't leave much scope for romance. Joining a class on an interest topic might help you to connect with more people, and you would have something in common.



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25 May 2016, 5:21 pm

i_wanna_blue wrote:
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After a recent experience I have been thinking about the impact of relationship related loneliness on men, and Im curious to know what aspects of romantic companionship the WP chaps desire?


I suppose I probably want a lady who will help me to become a better person inside. Someone whose presence will help me to feel less pessimistic and more optimistic, to smile more and to just feel better within. Someone who will help teach me to become more patient, tolerant and forgiving, to let go of bitterness and resentment, and to help me become less materialistic and less self-absorbed. If not for feeling happier within, and becoming a better person, I don't see the point of getting into a relationship.


Do you mean someone to make you a better man? I have read before that a good woman can make a man better, and vice versa. I think its related to feeling secure, experiencing growth because of abundance, having a purpose and a reason to be accountable.

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I did ask: "what aspects of romantic companionship the WP chaps desire"

Not: please submit your realistic responses for critique

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25 May 2016, 5:26 pm

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i_wanna_blue wrote:
Amity wrote:
After a recent experience I have been thinking about the impact of relationship related loneliness on men, and Im curious to know what aspects of romantic companionship the WP chaps desire?


I suppose I probably want a lady who will help me to become a better person inside. Someone whose presence will help me to feel less pessimistic and more optimistic, to smile more and to just feel better within. Someone who will help teach me to become more patient, tolerant and forgiving, to let go of bitterness and resentment, and to help me become less materialistic and less self-absorbed. If not for feeling happier within, and becoming a better person, I don't see the point of getting into a relationship.


That is an awful lot to ask of a romantic partner. Are you willing to teach a prospective girlfriend to be more optimistic, more tolerant and forgiving, etc.?


You must be the Katy they've all been talking about. Honestly, I thought they were off their rocker. Huh. 8O


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25 May 2016, 5:33 pm

Not that I would "teach" a person to be "optimistic, tolerant, and more forgiving" explicitly; that would seem condescending from one adult to another.

But I would hope that my influence over my lover would encourage her to be "optimistic, tolerant, and more forgiving."

These qualities, in my opinion, lead to a higher quality life than if people are pessimistic, intolerant, and bear grudges.



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25 May 2016, 5:48 pm

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I did ask: "what aspects of romantic companionship the WP chaps desire"

Not: please submit your realistic responses for critique

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Is this a men's only thread?



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25 May 2016, 5:52 pm

No its not a mens only thread, you know its not.



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25 May 2016, 6:00 pm

My headache was pretty much never meeting anyone I could relate to where attraction was mutual, and even where it might have been social status wasn't equal.

Back in my 20's I was looking for a girl who was incredibly intelligent, had similar tastes in music, who could feel what I felt in both it and the world, chase down similar directions of emotionality as myself, someone who I could really explore the subjective side of life with.

These days - I'm in my 30's, it may have been said that the sense of loneliness changes by your late 20's or early 30's, isn't a 24/7 plague, and I also realize that I have enough complications and issues where unless a girl is really an uber geek I don't know how much I'd have to offer. Clearly I'd still need someone whose incredibly broad-minded and curious about life, both the big and small questions.

As for the defensive cold posturing that I feel like a lot of women are forced into - I feel bad for them on that account, it sucks both ways but I also realize that women really have to put aside their humanity in a lot of circumstances (really most guys within 10 years of them either way) for preservation of boundaries which I'm sure equally has unfortunate long-term impact. Human biology and wiring is a bit harsh I guess.


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25 May 2016, 7:44 pm

I wouldn't be surprised if more women than you think like the type of man you are, Techgeneration. Many women value education and learning. This is especially so as they grow up and mature.



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25 May 2016, 8:14 pm

The biggest killer for me is that they can't read my body language. Most of it rings hollow in the overtures and for most of my life not being able to expect the same results for the same behavior other people issued I picked up a lot of CYA habits that interfere with bonding much more than platonically with people.

On one hand I realize I'm weird and hence am right for a rather narrow band of women, OTOH I also realize I'm flighty and that I'll run quickly if I either feel like I can't summon enough attraction to treat them the way I'd want to or, alternately, I may feel like I'm seeing a behavior pattern in them that'll be the root of some serious fights down the road when the gloss of a new relationship, or even just the interview phase, wears off. My threshold in both directions is particularly touchy and for a lot of reasons in that direction, in addition to evolving as a person in rather odd ways, I've gotten to the point of saying I've opted out unless a situation in my life shows me a different way of looking at things (particularly on a level that can sink in deeper than an intellectual suggestion - it would have to).


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26 May 2016, 5:14 am

androbot01 wrote:
You have it backwards. It's not what you can do for me, it's what I can do for you.


kraftiekortie wrote:
Not that I would "teach" a person to be "optimistic, tolerant, and more forgiving" explicitly; that would seem condescending from one adult to another.

But I would hope that my influence over my lover would encourage her to be "optimistic, tolerant, and more forgiving."

These qualities, in my opinion, lead to a higher quality life than if people are pessimistic, intolerant, and bear grudges.


My post may have seemed as if I'm being one sided, but I'm not. I was merely pointing out my own flaws and highlighting that I think someone who has an influence on me in that way is more important than anything else. I suppose the word "teach" could be misconstrued to mean something else. But that's okay, I suppose it's not always possible for people to see the intention behind what's posted.



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26 May 2016, 5:14 am

KatyPromisetoBehave wrote:
That is an awful lot to ask of a romantic partner. Are you willing to teach a prospective girlfriend to be more optimistic, more tolerant and forgiving, etc.?


Absolutely. I may be weak in those areas but I am aware relationships are a two way street. If I have qualities which she may be able to learn from and become better, then yes, of course I'd be willing to help her, or should I say "have an influence over her." I did say "help teach". I don't mean it as if I expect her to become my life coach and I can blame her if I haven't added more virtues to my life.

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Do you mean someone to make you a better man? I have read before that a good woman can make a man better, and vice versa. I think its related to feeling secure, experiencing growth because of abundance, having a purpose and a reason to be accountable.



Yeah, I suppose so. That seems to make sense. I guess just being around someone who makes me feel less grumpy about life would be nice as well.



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26 May 2016, 7:07 am

i_wanna_blue wrote:
I suppose I probably want a lady who will help me to become a better person inside. Someone whose presence will help me to feel less pessimistic and more optimistic, to smile more and to just feel better within. Someone who will help teach me to become more patient, tolerant and forgiving, to let go of bitterness and resentment, and to help me become less materialistic and less self-absorbed. If not for feeling happier within, and becoming a better person, I don't see the point of getting into a relationship.


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My post may have seemed as if I'm being one sided, but I'm not. I was merely pointing out my own flaws and highlighting that I think someone who has an influence on me in that way is more important than anything else. I suppose the word "teach" could be misconstrued to mean something else. But that's okay, I suppose it's not always possible for people to see the intention behind what's posted.


Sorry if I seemed harsh, that wasn't my intent. Ideally both people would make the other better. Unfortunately too often the reverse is true.
I have thought in the past that finding the right partner meant finding someone who would make me happy, but I have found that because I struggle with depression, I made him unhappy. So I have decided not to seek a partner unless I can offer to improve their experience of life. My happiness is my own problem. This is what I meant. And I only interjected because it seems like you are setting up your lady for failure and as someone to blame. Not out of malice, but rather out of misplaced hope.



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26 May 2016, 7:16 am

Just you "being there" might improve the life of your partner.

You don't have to actively seek to "improve" the life of your partner.

To me, just offering advice like a friend would, with respect, is quite suitable.