any women here who have never dated, never had a boyfriend?

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26 Aug 2016, 4:41 pm

for the sake of clarity: what does "fa" mean?


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26 Aug 2016, 4:41 pm

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Yes, how dare these lonely women just not jump on any "D" that presents itself. The have no right to go around being lonely when they're so darned "privileged."

I really think some guys here would find it enlightening if they stopped thinking of women as smaller, less hairy, defective versions of men, and started thinking of them as WOMEN who have different evolutionary roles in the reproductive process, and, therefore, different wants and needs. Oh, and females have very good reasons for being "picky" that men, in their reproductive role, never have to consider.

Seriously, if men can cure their loneliness by obtaining a woman, ANY women, great. I don't know too many females who can be happy and content hooking up with any 'ole man that comes by. FYI: women who experience nothing but bad relationships can be just as legitimately "lonely" as men who never experience any. And before someone inevitably screams, "AT LEAST THEY HAD RELATIONSHIPS!! !," I reiterate that just "having a relationship, ANY relationship" may be enough to make men happy, but it's not for most women.

Why? Because women are women.....not smaller, less hairy, defective versions of men.


What are talking about? I didn't imply anything like that. Please go to wherever I said that women should sleep with any dick they can get and requote it here.



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26 Aug 2016, 4:43 pm

anagram wrote:
for the sake of clarity: what does "fa" mean?


Forever alone, aka involuntary single. Someone that is okay being alone wouldn't necessarily fall under that.



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26 Aug 2016, 4:48 pm

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You're a pretty smart guy, Hopper. Why do you think you're not even "average?"


Thanks. :)

Oh, I don't mean to put myself down. I just meant that, in the big wide world of dating I was (back then) a 30 year old jobless single dad, no wealth, no car, overweight, average looks and obviously weird (though this was a few years before my diagnosis) living in Bumfluff, North Wales.

That is, hardly what is widely thought to be 'catch' material.


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26 Aug 2016, 4:50 pm

Personally, having lots of meaningless dates and relationships made me feel a lot better about myself. For a few years I made no real effort to go on any dates as I felt like, "Been there, done that."

I **always** approached the men. I never had the mindset that the men were the ones to ask. I actually prefer to approach. Oddly enough a lot of the men I've met picked up on this.

And I used dating sites. I was WAY more successful this way.

I also looked up people I used to know, or know of, and still do. This has got me into a few relationships and some dates. You have to be careful with this though, as some men find it very flattering, and others get kinda nervous. There's also the consideration that the past often belongs in the past.

I get clothes to make me look and feel great, not all the time, but sometimes dressing up a bit and just going out makes everyone notice - the women too. I have this combination of this black and white giant collar and black silky robe, that when I wear them, women around me look at me curiously, and I get comments on how great it looks. I remember dressing up in bright orange clothes (they were pretty) and this man when he saw me went, "Wow". Bear in mind you'll sometimes get negative comments, but that goes with the territory of dressing up to stand out.

Also, I've noticed from different online articles that they say with green eyes the colour purple goes with them. I disagree - green eyes really stand out if you wear a deep blue. For some reason brown brings out my eye colour too. I've said it lots of times in WP, that trying out all sorts of different clothes gives you a boost and bright or different enough clothes makes others notice.

You don't have to spend a lot, some of the best clothes I've had were second-hand. It's about learning how to combine everything.

Long hair that isn't tied up is a must too. Lots of men love long hair. And, I get a lot more positivity and attention in pretty dresses or skirts too. Don't wear trousers. And no short skirts because they attract the wrong attention.


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26 Aug 2016, 4:52 pm

I was only approached ONCE by a woman for a date.

She was 16, and I was 17. And she wanted to convert me to Christianity.

She wanted to buy me ice cream.

We never had sex; but her mother thought I made her pregnant because we took a bath together once. I didn't even climax there.



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26 Aug 2016, 4:59 pm

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I **always** approached the men. I never had the mindset that the men were the ones to ask. I actually prefer to approach. Oddly enough a lot of the men I've met picked up on this.


Just to say, I can only wonder if this matter of so much complaint is a particular American phenomenon. I can't think of a woman I've known who hasn't approached a man at some point. More than that, that they just sort of fall in with each other after meeting through some common social space (work, friends of friends, etc). Some mutual, tentative interest-checking, and then they're away.


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You know sometimes, between the dames and the horses, I don't even know why I put my hat on.


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26 Aug 2016, 5:05 pm

I don't hang out in non-progressive circles, necessarily....but I've rarely heard of women blatantly approaching guys in the way that guys usually approach women for dates.

Women can be assertive in this field of endeavor---but they are usually subtle in expressing that assertiveness.



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26 Aug 2016, 5:07 pm

to be honest the whole concept of "dating" (going out with strangers or people you don't know very well, with the explicit purpose of getting to know each other and see if there's compatibility for a romantic relationship) seems alien to me. afaik, people in my country rarely go out alone with someone they're not in a relationship with already, and usually the reason why they go out with anyone (usually in groups) is because they find it enjoyable (which is why i don't do it. because i don't find it enjoyable)

culturally speaking i don't see anything abnormal about women approaching men instead of the other way around. as far as i can tell, it's just not as common


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26 Aug 2016, 5:12 pm

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XFilesGeek wrote:
Yes, how dare these lonely women just not jump on any "D" that presents itself. The have no right to go around being lonely when they're so darned "privileged."

I really think some guys here would find it enlightening if they stopped thinking of women as smaller, less hairy, defective versions of men, and started thinking of them as WOMEN who have different evolutionary roles in the reproductive process, and, therefore, different wants and needs. Oh, and females have very good reasons for being "picky" that men, in their reproductive role, never have to consider.

Seriously, if men can cure their loneliness by obtaining a woman, ANY women, great. I don't know too many females who can be happy and content hooking up with any 'ole man that comes by. FYI: women who experience nothing but bad relationships can be just as legitimately "lonely" as men who never experience any. And before someone inevitably screams, "AT LEAST THEY HAD RELATIONSHIPS!! !," I reiterate that just "having a relationship, ANY relationship" may be enough to make men happy, but it's not for most women.

Why? Because women are women.....not smaller, less hairy, defective versions of men.


What are talking about? I didn't imply anything like that. Please go to wherever I said that women should sleep with any dick they can get and requote it here.


I never said you said that.

I was making a general point.

You said women have some sort of glorious "privilege" when it comes to dating. I countered.


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26 Aug 2016, 5:16 pm

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I don't hang out in non-progressive circles, necessarily....but I've rarely heard of women blatantly approaching guys in the way that guys usually approach women for dates.

Women can be assertive in this field of endeavor---but they are usually subtle in expressing that assertiveness.


Ermm, yes, I'm not subtle. I can't hint to save my life. I'm verbally a bit clueless, but touching a man on the arm a few times definitely sends him a message. It's very easy. It needs to be a soft touch and held for a few seconds. And you've got to want to do it obviously, because people can feel if it's genuine or not.

Hopper, I was once told it was an English thing too. Just one person said that though - I actually don't know. My sister has always asked out the men, I never copied her on this, I only found out years later she did. I had a best friend who always asked out the men too and it was normal to her. I had a lesbian best friend who always did the asking out. I don't have enough evidence really to say one way or another. I have been told by a few men I dated though that to be asked out by a woman was very flattering as it almost never happened.


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26 Aug 2016, 5:19 pm

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I don't hang out in non-progressive circles, necessarily....but I've rarely heard of women blatantly approaching guys in the way that guys usually approach women for dates.

Women can be assertive in this field of endeavor---but they are usually subtle in expressing that assertiveness.


Many guys I've worked with have told me that women "throwing themselves" at men, or "flirting with every guy in the bar," is highly unattractive.


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26 Aug 2016, 5:27 pm

And umm...being shy and submissive with less eye contact is perfectly OK. You kinda look down and go shy, and can't think of anything to say, then the man wraps his arm around you and you cuddle.


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26 Aug 2016, 5:30 pm

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I never said you said that.

I was making a general point.

You said women have some sort of glorious "privilege" when it comes to dating. I countered.


That was a poor counter argument. It was a total strawman. "We women have more options so I guess that must mean we should just ride any pole we can get!"

It is a privilege to have the upper hand and being the selectors when it comes to choosing a mate. Why is this so hard for some to admit?

And now I have a bunch of emotional people throwing out wild fallacies that has nothing to do with what I said. lmfao



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26 Aug 2016, 5:31 pm

You really have a way with men, Smudge. You do all the right things.

Women have done similar things with me....but never before we were actually "seeing each other."



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26 Aug 2016, 5:34 pm

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That was a poor counter argument. It was a total strawman. "We women have more options so I guess that must mean we should just ride any pole we can get!"

It is a privilege to have the upper hand and being the selectors when it comes to choosing a mate. Why is this so hard for some to admit?

And now I have a bunch of emotional people throwing out wild fallacies that has nothing to do with what I said. lmfao


Nope. Having "more options" doesn't translate into "happiness" or "privilege" for women, and I outlined the reasons why.

Your not liking what I wrote doesn't make it a "fallacy."


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