This lady has some serious issues with Aspies
If you tell someone who is NT that you are Autistic or Aspie they will immediately look on you as being lesser than them.
It's how humans work, we categorize and sort everything into groups, by admitting to a neurological disorder you are forcing them to assign you to a lesser group.
I've never been in a relationship with another Autistic person, lately I'm thinking that it's the best option though, I'm not interested in more of the same, I feel like Sly, previous NT relationships of being shouted at for nothing, always feeling I was in the wrong and never understanding why.
I have no interest in explaining ASD to a partner, screw that, you'd only use the wrong words and paint a picture of a monster.
This is so not true. There are always people on here talking about how difficult aspie females are.
As I said they also suffer from social isolation more that aspie males so they hardly habe it better.
We are all aspies who have social problems. Why does it have to be aspie females this and aspie females that. It's disrespectful to assume we have it better off when we struggle just as much as male aspies
Because I see a bunch of aspie women talk down about aspie men, like their better then us. It upsets me. Apsie women should be the more likely ones to like us suffering the same condition and all. I aine if some aspie men were like, eww I'd never date aspie women they so horrible.
I've never said aspie women don't suffer. But they do seem to be seen as better and I doNt get why. Certainly doesn't make me feel like disclosing my condition.
What do you mean they suffer fro. Social isolation more? Or was that a mistype?
These threads always upset me, cause the article is bad enough but then you get apsie women come in and basically agree with the article
Of course, what would one comment other than "haters gonna hate"
CNN doesn't allow comments anymore either along with most media. People don't like to hear others that disagree anymore. Use to be comments allowed on almost everything
This is so not true. There are always people on here talking about how difficult aspie females are.
As I said they also suffer from social isolation more that aspie males so they hardly have it better.
We are all aspies who have social problems. Why does it have to be aspie females this and aspie females that. It's disrespectful to assume we have it better off when we struggle just as much as male aspies
Because I see a bunch of aspie women talk down about aspie men, like their better then us. It upsets me. Apsie women should be the more likely ones to like us suffering the same condition and all. I aine if some aspie men were like, eww I'd never date aspie women they so horrible.
I've never said aspie women don't suffer. But they do seem to be seen as better and I doNt get why. Certainly doesn't make me feel like disclosing my condition.
What do you mean they suffer fro. Social isolation more? Or was that a mistype?
These threads always upset me, cause the article is bad enough but then you get apsie women come in and basically agree with the article
What the hell there is literally no one on this thread that agrees with the article. It hurts me to that she thinks of us this way.
Yes it has been found they are more likely to suffer from social isolation and less able to make friends due to how females make friends as well as an often late diagnosis leading to questioning of identity
I've seen very few aspie women talking down to aspie men and my fair share of both male and females talking abot their difficulties with an aspie partner
Women only hide their troubles better.
edit: such spelling errors when on a phone
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If you're going to be in a long term relationship, you are going to need to disclose at some point, because they ARE going to learn at some point, and if they learn you were purposely with holding it from them they are going to be pissed as hell. I think the main difference in the reactions between men and women is that autistic women are more likely to have actually been in a long-term relationship.
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I just need to learn to lie. I've been moral and law abiding all my life, it's always been important to me but what does it get me, nothing but pain, everyone else, lies and breaks laws and policies and they get to be successful and happy because of it.
Time I throw in the towel and join them
You don't have to lie...just give it another name , a name which is more common and understood like "I am different, "I am extremely introvert" and if you wanna go deeper "I am socially inept" , and that's it- problem solved - there's no use for that AS label. At least they wouldn't google it and find out blogs listing failed AS-NT relationships and stories of mass murdering and start associating this label to all of these stuff.
Alliekit, another BIG difference between herpes and AS.... herpes is a real medical condition, it is proven and it exists medically. As for AS, not very much so, at least not medically, the diagnosis itself only exist in psychiatric books (and as ASD in DSM 5 but....as an attempt to make the diagnosis more rigid) and none of the real medical books:
In other term, Med school students don't study about AS, only those who branched into psychiatry/psychology do - and that alone makes AS subject to a lot of stigmatization (since AS so far is just a psychiatric label).
No, read above.
It seems that I have awaken a new movement here, a movement of guys who just realized how bad is to disclose it ...to disclose it as ASPERGER's syndrome at least, we should give it a name, "The Movement of the Incognito-aspies" perhaps
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If you're going to be in a long term relationship, you are going to need to disclose at some point, because they ARE going to learn at some point, and if they learn you were purposely with holding it from them they are going to be pissed as hell. I think the main difference in the reactions between men and women is that autistic women are more likely to have actually been in a long-term relationship.
Well seems either way I won't have a long term relationship. From what I've gathered telling will just end the relationship sooner and spare them of having to deal with the side effects of our aspergers.
This is so not true. There are always people on here talking about how difficult aspie females are.
As I said they also suffer from social isolation more that aspie males so they hardly have it better.
We are all aspies who have social problems. Why does it have to be aspie females this and aspie females that. It's disrespectful to assume we have it better off when we struggle just as much as male aspies
Because I see a bunch of aspie women talk down about aspie men, like their better then us. It upsets me. Apsie women should be the more likely ones to like us suffering the same condition and all. I aine if some aspie men were like, eww I'd never date aspie women they so horrible.
I've never said aspie women don't suffer. But they do seem to be seen as better and I doNt get why. Certainly doesn't make me feel like disclosing my condition.
What do you mean they suffer fro. Social isolation more? Or was that a mistype?
These threads always upset me, cause the article is bad enough but then you get apsie women come in and basically agree with the article
What the hell there is literally no one on this thread that agrees with the article. It hurts me to that she thinks of us this way.
Yes it has been found they are more likely to suffer from social isolation and less able to make friends due to how females make friends as well as an often late diagnosis leading to questioning of identity
I've seen very few aspie women talking down to aspie men and my fair share of both male and females talking abot their difficulties with an aspie partner
Women only hide their troubles better.
edit: such spelling errors when on a phone
I have no real friends , haven't for years now. I just end up spending all my life in my room cause I have no one to hang out with. I've tried making friends but fail at that far worse then getting dates. I've been able to get more women talk to me for dating then men for friendships. Given how much I fail at getting women to date me that should give an idea of much I fail at getting friends, I don't get how people do it and recently found out it's. It ok to mak friends at work. How do people make friends? Is it all really done at bars like in the tv shows?
I've made acquaintances which are limited to only talking about one subject and whom I never meet. That's about it. Since I can't stand doing actives alone I just end up not doing activities .
Seems like most people women and men make their friends in college and then keep those same freiends for the rest of their lives. I made no friends I. College. And all my child hood threads grew up and apart. Moving away to be in the military or just don't have any interest in me since my interests didn't change when I got year older. They stopped playing video games and moved to partying and rink lots of liquor. I kept playing video games and never have liked or saw the point in liquor . You spend lots of money on it, drink it pass out remember nothing of what happen besides being out $200 for a night. No thanks.
I dont know how either women or men make friends after college. And I stupidly focused on my studies and avoided socializing so I'd get good grades. Missed out on friends and gf cause of it I imagine
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They will pick that my personality is distinct and too introvert.
I don't care what you all think - I am not going to tell anyone.
Even the ladyfriend that I have been seeing very frequently lately doesn't know - and it really doesn't matter if the person is compatible and none is being jerk.
I do not believe that disclosing AS will make a failing relationship to succeed.
But then the woman can leave sooner and it will save both of you the trouble.
And why so? Why disclosing it will make the woman to leave a bad relationship sooner?
Because she will know the guy won't change and she won't have higher expectations and not take the behavior personally. I would have left my schizophrenic ex sooner if I knew and I wouldn't have had hurt feelings and been triggered and not feel so negative about him and the break up would have been more peaceful. But good thing I never stick around in relationships when things don't improve, I give it about three months and then I am gone if there is no change. I didn't want to be one of those women who stays and expecting things will get better. But from what I have read things usually get worse and it gets harder to leave a relationship the longer you stay. So what you see is what you get, never expect it to get better and that rule should apply to everyone for all relationships, AS or not.
You can never change or fix a man, regardless what he is, what makes you think a NT would change?
Relationships is all about honesty and making your partner happy. If anything about your partner is bothering you, let them know. There might be some things you have to let slide because it's no big deal like if someone liked leaving the toilet seat up and did't see it as a big deal, just leave it alone and not leave the man for it over a toilet seat. Now if he was lazy and not doing much around the house and you felt you were doing all the work, tell him how you feel about it and that you want him to do more so he knows. Don't sit back and say nothing and have the man assume everything is fine and then you do the 180 on him and then he is upset and confused because he thought everything was fine and you didn't even tell him there was a problem.
I could write an essay about my ex's because both of my relationships were bad, it wasn't over minor errors or human faults, it was more and big issues. My second one being emotionally abusive and controlling and not being able to talk about my feelings without him getting defensive and having to keep things bottled up and always walking on eggshells and trying to watch what I say and how I say it without him being defensive. In my first relationship my ex acted like he wanted a mommy than a girlfriend and he didn't want to work and he wanted me to be his cab driver.
Lot of women stay and think their partner will change. If the relationship is bad, leave. Don't assume it will get better.
And what makes any difference if these exes were AS and disclosed it to you, how this discovery would make any difference to you?
I mean an abusive man is an abusive man and you should leave him for that; so while you're thinking he's NT you stick with him? but once he tells you he has AS you would be like "Aha! so it's useless, I leave you now"?
I am still not understanding your reasoning.
I don't get why the man disclosing it is doing you a 'favor' and make you leave a bad relationship earlier ....while you should had left it because... it is a bad relationship! Regardless of everything else.
And what if the woman liked the you you were always around your friends and her and then you just dropped all that after getting into a relationship together or moving in together and then she didn't like the "new" you because she liked the "other" you when you first met?
BTW do you find it exhausting to be normal?
Yes, but I ENJOY it. I like the challenge.
It's so hard to describe but I am trying to tell you I am still being myself, just super-me.
It's just once I relax, super-me becomes regular me.
I don't see why it's an act. I'm not pretending to be anything other than what I truly am.
And what am I? I am an ambitious and hardworking person with a very ambitious personality who strives to be the best person he can be and have the most control over his own life, yet at the same time approach it with a carefree and relaxed attitude.
Being myself means being a little better than what I actually am, which unfortunately must be 'deception' when I AM being myself.
It's funny how people say 'be yourself' when I bet there's a least one 'weirdo' in this world and 'being themselves' means being a method actor who likes to pretend to be all sorts of different personalities all the time.
This isn't me but just an example of what I mean. That poor sucker is screwed.
How guys like Johnny Depp ever get wives is a mystery.
Look, watch parts of these two videos of the same guy, he's quite similar to me in mannerisms and voice and behavior and watching both of these videos I relate to how he behaves in both of them, except he exaggerates a little in the second one. Forget about the content or the awkward things he says, I'm not that awkward, but just analyse how he stands, how he speaks, body language, etc.:
Should I REALLY be like how he is in the first video if it means 'being myself'? (aka relaxed at home me?)
I'm also 'being myself' if I'm being like he is in the second video (aka me at school/study/work/etc), so which one is more impressive and presentable?
Okay, now I am going to ask, would you be the guy in the first video in your relationship and only be the second guy in the video when with your friends and at work and everywhere else except for at home?
This is what I was trying to talk about. The woman might only like the you in the second video but not the other you in the first video because she would want the second guy from the video so she will feel you have changed because you kept the second persona for so long until you both moved in together or got married.
I have never met another aspie who thought they were faking when being normal and not being themselves, this is the first time meeting someone with it who still feels they are being themselves when they "act."
I am both.
In social situations, particularly with friends, I am more confident, friendly, upbeat and full of life, and carefree and laidback.
In solitude or just at home in general I am just laidback, quiet, etc.
It's not about me being one or the other, it's about me being either depending on the situation.
I haven't actually been in a relationship long enough to know, so I give or take it'd be 1 month before I go from Mr. A (video 2) to Mr. B (video 1).
I'm sure 1 month isn't too long.
But I'd still be Mr. A, just less so because I'm now in an established relationship.
Neither have I. I enjoy acting and it's a big part of me, but I'd never want to be an actor.
Here's the thing: Being yourself means being who you 'naturally' are, correct?
Well, naturally, I am someone who strives to always be better than what I am. Naturally, I try to be Mr. A (video 2).
Naturally, I try to be more confident, friendly, social, etc. than I actually am, while remaining myself. I stay me but exaggerate my personal qualities. 110% me.
So if that's just something I naturally always choose to do in social situations, the behavior I gravitate towards, I am being myself, correct?
It may feel a little strange to walk more confidently, to have my head up more, etc. to pretend to be N.T. It feels unnatural, but it actually IS natural because I always choose to do it and am left satisfied I did a normal social interaction and came across as normal and succeeded socially in the end.
Being a less natural but better me is natural because I naturally want to be a better me. It's still me, it's just super-me. The me I want to become.
What's that old saying? Fake confidence till you make it?
Sound confusing? Contradictory? Welcome to my life...
It's only family I truly don't put any effort into to 'act normal' with because they aren't worth the effort because they already care for me unconditionally."
Is this not the crux of the article though? People acting until it's too late? That once you get comfortable with someone, they aren't worth the effort? I would have thought the opposite should be the case. This could be said about NT's too; I was married to a man who was wonderful until 2 months in to our marriage when he showed his true colours and became abusive. There was no hint of that side of him while we were dating.
I don't agree with the male 'aspie bashing' viewpoint she puts forward though as this would be akin to me writing about my experience with my ex husband and hence conclude that all men must be abusive.
We all put on our best front when we meet someone new but imo, to give any relationship the best chance, honesty really is the best policy for both parties.
I have heard of women having that mentality about guys. They were married and got abused by their husband, they divorce, now they won't date any guys. My mom knew someone at work who became lesbian because she would never date men again because she was abused by her ex husband. Then there was someone else I knew at work who was once married to an abuser. She then divorced him and had been single ever since and never wanted to remarry or date again. I have seen people say online how they will never date another aspie because they got traumatized by their ex who had it and they talk about the bad things they did to them that was related from their disorder but it was all unintentional but it still hurt the NT person. And sometimes an aspie really is abusive and it has nothing to do with AS but the woman might associate it with autism and say all autistic men are abusers and will break your things during a "meltdown" and break other stuff and hit you and scream at you and the woman always feels she had to walk in eggshells or he will get upset and blow up at her so she had to bottle her feelings up and not tell her partner anything that is bothering her or whenever she has concerns.
My ex wasn't an aspie-he was just an assh**e! My point being that people should reveal their true colours before they reel in an unsuspecting parner regardless of being NT or Aspie. I dunno though, I'm the type of person who wears my heart on my sleeve and what you see is what you get...
I agree with everything you said. I am also that way too, what you see is what you get. But yet both my abusive ex and my husband accused me of changing. My husband said I only changed a little and my ex said I changed a lot. I realize my ex was right I did change but that was because I was depressed and having lot of anxiety and lot of stress makes me regress and hew didn't like that so he acted worse about it and that made me even worse. Yeah he was an a**hole.
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I have no friends. I haven't had a real life friend since I was 14, someone of my own age. I only have my husband and we are both isolated and we often do our own things. Most of my social interaction is only online while in real life everyone ignores me and rarely talks to me but at least I don't get harassed and everyone leaves me alone.
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Like others have said there are tons and tons of book and articles about aspie men and how they're bad and some few about how their good. I've never seen any about aspie women? Is it cause aspie women at least from a far would seem to match up more with what society thinks women should be like, while aspie men fly in the face of what society thinks men should be like?
Note: I'm not making assumptions I'm just obersving and asking questions out of real curiousity .
Online I've generally seen more women write negative things about their exboyfriends or about how men are bad in relationships (in their opinion anyway) than men who complain in a similar way about their exgirlfriend or about women being bad in relationships. This is not to say women complain more about men than vice versa but maybe the things they tend to complain about are different. (from what I've personally seen I don't know any statistics on this so what I'm saying is pure speculation) For example, I've seen more men complain about the women they don't get than women complaining about the men they don't get - unrealistic ridiculously high standards, selfish, unfair that kind of stuff - or men complaining in general about how illogic women's thinking is etc.
What I'm trying to say is, if women truly are more prone to complaining about their exes and to generalize this to all men or one group of men, then this together with the more common autism diagnoses in men would already lead to a lot more mean articles about male aspies than female aspies. (this doesn't mean I think most men or women do this a lot)
Secondly, not all the aspies these women complain about are diagnosed and quite likely not all of them are aspies - some might instead be introverted and quite indifferent towards their girlfriend without having any psychological disorder and in other cases it might be the women who has a personality disorder or something else. That many descriptions of Aspergers Syndrome are more tailored to how it manifests itself in males also makes it more likely that a woman stumbles across it and sees her boyfriend in this description than that a man sees his girlfriend in the description - whether or not they have it. That the stereotypical aspie is male might also make it more likely that a women looks up Aspergers to find out what's wrong with her partner than that a man does the same.
Lastly, there may or may not be a gender imbalance in how many hobby-psychologists exist who like to gather superficial knowledge about disorders and diagnose people.
I'm not saying any of this is the case or the main reason for why there are many more articles bashing male aspies than female aspies; just that based on what I've observed I deem these things plausible.
The exact manifestation of symptoms of course is also on average different in men and women and the exact expectations in relationships on men and women also differ. I'm not claiming these things don't contribute to the different numbers of negative articles about male and female aspies.
Some of my family members might be nicer and more understanding than yours but I've never had a boyfriend and I have never had friends. I'm an aspie woman and if (any kind of) relationships are a measurement for how loveable a person is I am absolutely unlovable.
The people on this forum who are extremely desperate about not being able to find a lover might usually be male but that doesn't mean that aspie-women have no trouble with socializing and it also doesn't mean that every aspie-woman who would theoretically want a boyfriend - if she didn't have her disorder - or actually wants a boyfriend can get a (somewhat compatible)boyfriend.
Although being shy or insecure or initially more passive might be more accepted in women and this might facilitate some things for some aspie-women compared to their male counterparts.
Also, no one here said you should die and I don't think that anyone thinks it.
The stuff I have seen women complain about on ASPartners about their "aspies" I have seen the same complaints on Babycenter by NT women about their NT spouses. Not everything is an Asperger issue. They are just blaming it on the condition.
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I don't know if saying "I am different" is a good idea for every aspie or at least not without immediately elaborating what kind of different. Lots of people nowadays (or at least lots of young people in many parts of Western Europe and parts of North America) believes to be different and sometimes it means "I am a spoiled brat who believes to be better than everyone else and more unique than everyone else".
This is very true.
