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06 Feb 2017, 11:25 pm

I'd say that yes they do work, but it's definitely harder for some people than others. I live in a part of Victoria, Australia, and within 50km of me there is a grand total of about 7 people on OkCupid. Generally speaking, I'm bad at keeping a conversation flowing, I'm not a very physically attractive person and I'm very quiet. Considering a large amount of online dating is based on first impressions, this puts someone like myself in a pretty difficult situation.

That said, just over a month ago now, I met someone on OkCupid who weirdly (yes, very weirdly for me) I completely connected with. I knew what to say and we just flowed together so well. We've been talking to each other almost all day every day, and we've met probably about a dozen times now. I can't begin to understand it, I'm horrible at keeping a conversation flowing, but with her it's so natural. She thinks she has Aspergers (ASD) as well, so I think that's part of the reason we understand each other so well.

I still find it hard to believe I've met someone I connect so well with, because it's the first connection like this I've ever had. But it's convinced me that yes, dating sites do work. But it will be harder for some people than others, and if you're like me, maybe you just need to hope you find someone you connect with completely.

Oh, and don't read into those "Match %'s" too much. The person I've been talking about, we had a relatively low match percentage (just over 50%), but I feel like she's a 99.9% in reality.



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07 Feb 2017, 3:09 am

Sweetleaf wrote:
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It is a fact that most women like men taller than them, it is not an unfair assumption.
No they don't. If that was true they'd like me.

It's not only about being tall or short, there are many factors.


True, I don't know why it's so hard to understand.

It's like when you are applying for a job, if you don't have the degree they are seeking for, they won't consider the other stuff further.
But if you have this degree, it not guaranteed to win the job because they have other requirements to consider such number of experience, skills...etc.

And if you are shorter than the woman, and she (as typically often the case) wants a man taller than her, that's it, that's the end of the story - she won't consider the other stuff further more, it would be an automatic "No chemistry" from her part.
If you are taller, then you pass only the first requirement, but that's all.


And why are you so certain that the height preference would necessarily be a requirement? What if she has a stronger preference for other traits/characteristics, then isn't it possible the height would be overlooked? Perhaps most women have a preference for taller males, but I think you'd have a harder time arguing that it's a requirement of most women. 8)

I have a preference for long hair, guess what my boyfriend does not have? But turned out my hair length preference didn't really matter much in the end as there is so much else to like about him, well and he has a beard so it sort of makes up for it.


Oh, the Knight of Venus strikes again!! Whenever I talk about behavioral facts in the majority of women, you get offended and you want to defend them all and prove it that you are not like them.

We get it already, you are not like them, you are speccciallll, you are unique, I swear - I believe you! I am not being sarcastic.

But seriously, to deny that the majority of women prefer men taller than themselves is too (as a must requirement).....burying head in the sand.
Look there are plenty of studies, interviews, tv debates, articles, dating sties stats, about this very fact.
And if you actually have a female-dominated social circle, you would hear it too. Go ask other women and see by yourself. There are also males' life experiences here, which you never consider them and always invalidate them: In my experience, I got disqualified quickly on that, before meeting them or on the very first date, so there was not even a chance to make them "overlook" it for other traits.

I am not inventing anything nor I am being unfair by stating this.

But Sweetleaf, seriously.....can you stop doing this frequently? To defend women every time I talk something about some women, it's a Love and Dating forum and I am straight , so normally I won't complain about men here.
When you talked about the player guys in okcupid, I didn't pop out and was like "Oh, so why are you then on Okcupid? Why do you want to date men if they are all that evil and players? :roll: :roll: :roll: I am not like this, you know! Not all men like this" :roll: :roll:

I didn't invalidate your experiences, nor I turned to Guardian of Men or something.

But on the other hand, you do this all the time, it's ridiculous.



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07 Feb 2017, 6:33 am

I prefer women who are more than six feet tall but not many exist.


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07 Feb 2017, 1:38 pm

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07 Feb 2017, 1:39 pm

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:

Oh, the Knight of Venus strikes again!! Whenever I talk about behavioral facts in the majority of women, you get offended and you want to defend them all and prove it that you are not like them.

We get it already, you are not like them, you are speccciallll, you are unique, I swear - I believe you! I am not being sarcastic.

But seriously, to deny that the majority of women prefer men taller than themselves is too (as a must requirement).....burying head in the sand.
Look there are plenty of studies, interviews, tv debates, articles, dating sties stats, about this very fact.
And if you actually have a female-dominated social circle, you would hear it too. Go ask other women and see by yourself. There are also males' life experiences here, which you never consider them and always invalidate them: In my experience, I got disqualified quickly on that, before meeting them or on the very first date, so there was not even a chance to make them "overlook" it for other traits.

I am not inventing anything nor I am being unfair by stating this.

But Sweetleaf, seriously.....can you stop doing this frequently? To defend women every time I talk something about some women, it's a Love and Dating forum and I am straight , so normally I won't complain about men here.
When you talked about the player guys in okcupid, I didn't pop out and was like "Oh, so why are you then on Okcupid? Why do you want to date men if they are all that evil and players? :roll: :roll: :roll: I am not like this, you know! Not all men like this" :roll: :roll:

I didn't invalidate your experiences, nor I turned to Guardian of Men or something.

But on the other hand, you do this all the time, it's ridiculous.


I am offended? I don't feel like I am....and yes you are being sarcastic...

Also I don't think you read my post I just agreed most women may have a height preference...or at least a large enough majority for that to be a generalization. So yeah whatever most women have a preference for taller guys....most guys have a preference for shorter women to. So pay attention.

I don't question that in your experience women have rejected you for height alone, I do think those women are rather shallow if that was really their only reason regardless if you agree with that or not.

I mean unless I really am that much different than other females I would think quite a lot of them are more likely to compromise on some preferences if they find someone they hit it off with...rather than refuse anyone who doesn't fit every single one of their pre-determined preferences. Hence my example of a preference for long hair, not ending up being a requirement.

Also you do invalidate my experiences...every time I mention an experience to point out a different reaction/thought process a woman could have aside from the one you put forward, you sarcastically tell me how I am just trying to show off how unique I am or something .


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07 Feb 2017, 4:13 pm

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So yeah whatever most women have a preference for taller guys....most guys have a preference for shorter women to. So pay attention.


Not true, studies showed, and I personally assure you, that there are more men tolerant to the idea of dating a woman taller than them than vice versa. It is not an equivalently 'balanced' thing as you tend to think.

Look for example at the guys' opinions hre: https://www.reddit.com/r/AskMen/comment ... ng_taller/

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Most men don't care about the fact that you're taller. They care about whether you care. It's mostly women that keep the "the guy should be taller"-opinion alive, not men. Can guarantee you that there are guys who haven't thought it worth it to try and approach you because they thought it would be a waste of time because they're shorter than you. If you don't drink the kool-aid, and they realise this, you're both gonna have a way easier time.



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07 Feb 2017, 6:39 pm

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
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So yeah whatever most women have a preference for taller guys....most guys have a preference for shorter women to. So pay attention.


Not true, studies showed, and I personally assure you, that there are more men tolerant to the idea of dating a woman taller than them than vice versa. It is not an equivalently 'balanced' thing as you tend to think.

Look for example at the guys' opinions hre: https://www.reddit.com/r/AskMen/comment ... ng_taller/

I totally agree with this comment:
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Most men don't care about the fact that you're taller. They care about whether you care. It's mostly women that keep the "the guy should be taller"-opinion alive, not men. Can guarantee you that there are guys who haven't thought it worth it to try and approach you because they thought it would be a waste of time because they're shorter than you. If you don't drink the kool-aid, and they realise this, you're both gonna have a way easier time.


Well I don't see a lot of guys under 5 feet, the one guy I've met who was shorter then that and expressed interest I did go on a few dates with but we concluded we didn't really have anything in common and went out separate ways.

Also I have mostly heard guys say they prefer girls shorter than them...and a reddit post isn't a study, if you really want to prove most guys don't prefer women shorter than them you'll have to do better than some reddit opinions.


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07 Feb 2017, 7:27 pm

Sweetleaf wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:

Oh, the Knight of Venus strikes again!! Whenever I talk about behavioral facts in the majority of women, you get offended and you want to defend them all and prove it that you are not like them.

We get it already, you are not like them, you are speccciallll, you are unique, I swear - I believe you! I am not being sarcastic.

But seriously, to deny that the majority of women prefer men taller than themselves is too (as a must requirement).....burying head in the sand.
Look there are plenty of studies, interviews, tv debates, articles, dating sties stats, about this very fact.
And if you actually have a female-dominated social circle, you would hear it too. Go ask other women and see by yourself. There are also males' life experiences here, which you never consider them and always invalidate them: In my experience, I got disqualified quickly on that, before meeting them or on the very first date, so there was not even a chance to make them "overlook" it for other traits.

I am not inventing anything nor I am being unfair by stating this.

But Sweetleaf, seriously.....can you stop doing this frequently? To defend women every time I talk something about some women, it's a Love and Dating forum and I am straight , so normally I won't complain about men here.
When you talked about the player guys in okcupid, I didn't pop out and was like "Oh, so why are you then on Okcupid? Why do you want to date men if they are all that evil and players? :roll: :roll: :roll: I am not like this, you know! Not all men like this" :roll: :roll:

I didn't invalidate your experiences, nor I turned to Guardian of Men or something.

But on the other hand, you do this all the time, it's ridiculous.


I am offended? I don't feel like I am....and yes you are being sarcastic...

Also I don't think you read my post I just agreed most women may have a height preference...or at least a large enough majority for that to be a generalization. So yeah whatever most women have a preference for taller guys....most guys have a preference for shorter women to. So pay attention.

I don't question that in your experience women have rejected you for height alone, I do think those women are rather shallow if that was really their only reason regardless if you agree with that or not.

I mean unless I really am that much different than other females I would think quite a lot of them are more likely to compromise on some preferences if they find someone they hit it off with...rather than refuse anyone who doesn't fit every single one of their pre-determined preferences. Hence my example of a preference for long hair, not ending up being a requirement.

Also you do invalidate my experiences...every time I mention an experience to point out a different reaction/thought process a woman could have aside from the one you put forward, you sarcastically tell me how I am just trying to show off how unique I am or something .


People are far more shallow and less willing to compromise on online dating, which is what this thread is about.

Trust me, many men who've been here a while would agree much of your views are contrary to their experiences with many women.



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07 Feb 2017, 7:30 pm

Sweetleaf wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
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So yeah whatever most women have a preference for taller guys....most guys have a preference for shorter women to. So pay attention.


Not true, studies showed, and I personally assure you, that there are more men tolerant to the idea of dating a woman taller than them than vice versa. It is not an equivalently 'balanced' thing as you tend to think.

Look for example at the guys' opinions hre: https://www.reddit.com/r/AskMen/comment ... ng_taller/

I totally agree with this comment:
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Most men don't care about the fact that you're taller. They care about whether you care. It's mostly women that keep the "the guy should be taller"-opinion alive, not men. Can guarantee you that there are guys who haven't thought it worth it to try and approach you because they thought it would be a waste of time because they're shorter than you. If you don't drink the kool-aid, and they realise this, you're both gonna have a way easier time.


Well I don't see a lot of guys under 5 feet, the one guy I've met who was shorter then that and expressed interest I did go on a few dates with but we concluded we didn't really have anything in common and went out separate ways.

Also I have mostly heard guys say they prefer girls shorter than them...and a reddit post isn't a study, if you really want to prove most guys don't prefer women shorter than them you'll have to do better than some reddit opinions.


I have to say I've heard a lot guys express that aswell, thats why I'm so self-conscious about wearing heels.

I'm not arguing that most girls dont prefer taller guys but my Dad is quite a bit shorter than my mum so it is possible for a taller woman to go out with a shorter man



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08 Feb 2017, 3:33 am

Sweetleaf wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
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So yeah whatever most women have a preference for taller guys....most guys have a preference for shorter women to. So pay attention.


Not true, studies showed, and I personally assure you, that there are more men tolerant to the idea of dating a woman taller than them than vice versa. It is not an equivalently 'balanced' thing as you tend to think.

Look for example at the guys' opinions hre: https://www.reddit.com/r/AskMen/comment ... ng_taller/

I totally agree with this comment:
Quote:
Most men don't care about the fact that you're taller. They care about whether you care. It's mostly women that keep the "the guy should be taller"-opinion alive, not men. Can guarantee you that there are guys who haven't thought it worth it to try and approach you because they thought it would be a waste of time because they're shorter than you. If you don't drink the kool-aid, and they realise this, you're both gonna have a way easier time.


Well I don't see a lot of guys under 5 feet, the one guy I've met who was shorter then that and expressed interest I did go on a few dates with but we concluded we didn't really have anything in common and went out separate ways.

Also I have mostly heard guys say they prefer girls shorter than them...and a reddit post isn't a study, if you really want to prove most guys don't prefer women shorter than them you'll have to do better than some reddit opinions.



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Short women

avg height 5ft 1.6in
prefer a range of 5ft 7in to 6ft 1in
mean preference of the group 5ft 10in

Average height women

avg height 5ft 5in
prefer a range of 5ft 9in to 6ft 2in
mean preference of the group 5ft 11.5in

Tall women

avg height 5ft 8.5in
prefer a height range of 5ft 10in to 6ft 4in
mean preference of the group 6ft 2in

Women overall

5ft 10in to 6ft 1in was in the ideal range of all women, on average
all three groups of women have a range in their ideal of five to six inches, on average
the shorter the woman, the taller the start of her ideal range is, in relative comparison to average and tall women

Short men

avg height 5ft 6.6in
prefer a range of 5ft 2in to 5ft 8in
mean preference of the group 5ft 5in

Average height men

avg height 5ft 10in
prefer a range of 5ft 3in to 5ft 9.5in
mean preference of the group 5ft 6.25in

Tall men

avg height 6ft 1.66in
prefer a range of 5ft 4in to 5ft 11in
mean preference of the group 5ft 7.5in

Men overall

5ft 4in to 5ft 8in is in the ideal range of all men, on average.
all three groups of men have a range in their ideal of five to six inches, on average (same as women).
only the short male sample, on average, had taller women in there ideal range, the tallest end of the ideal range for average and tall men is below each group's average height.



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If you adjust for the height difference of men and women (men are @5in taller), men have an almost identical opposite direction height preference. Adjusting for the height difference of men and women, women would still prefer men .3 to 5.4 inches taller than them (the unadjusted preference range is 5.3 to 10.4 inches taller). Men prefer women 4.93in shorter to 1.65in taller than them. Thus, men have approximately a one inch larger acceptable range, on average. That one inch is on the taller end of the preferred range. So men, are more likely to self report as being attracted to slightly taller girls, whereas women do not share that accommodation in the opposite direction. The female range preference ends at slightly above their gender adjusted height. From an evolutionary standpoint this all makes sense. Preference selection should be mirrored in the sexes and any flexibility is more likely to show up in males since women exert greater selection power than men, on average.


http://research.similarminds.com/romant ... -women/227


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"Asking people about their preferences for height and examining, for instance, the role of height in speed-daters, a reasonably clear picture arises: Taller men and average height women are on average preferred," he said. "Particularly women value height in their male partner."



http://www.livescience.com/22179-evolut ... eight.html



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For the two-part study, researchers first looked at data from Yahoo! personal dating ads, which comprised of info from 455 males and 470 females, with an average height of 5-feet, 8-inches and 5-feet, 4-inches, respectively. The researchers found that 13.5 percent of men only wanted to date shorter women, while 48.9 percent of women only wanted to date men who were taller. For the second part of the study, the researchers questioned 54 men (average height of 5-foot-9) and 131 women (average height of 5-foot-4) about their preferences. These participants answered similarly, with 37 percent of men wanted shorter women, and 55 percent of women wanting taller men

The study’s results support other research showing that women are more likely to enforce this “rule.” A 2008 study of 382 college students found that only four percent of women would be in a relationship with someone who was shorter, compared to 23 percent of men who would date a taller girl (I hope this is clear enough for you). “Women’s cultural vision is being feminine, having a man big enough to make her feel protected. Many women hold this sterotype to a point where it excludes a lot of people they might be interested in otherwise,” Dr. Pepper Schwartz, a sociology professor at the University of Washington in Seattle and chief relationship expert at PerfectMatch.com, told The Huffington Post in 2012.



http://www.medicaldaily.com/short-women ... ove-269037

And I am 100% sure those men do not include taller as preference, do it because they are aware that taller women won't accept them.

Women in average care way much more than men when it comes to height. Stop denying that.

But of course, you are gonna deny this too. You can't accept the idea that women in average are particularly pickier and shallower when it comes to height.



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08 Feb 2017, 3:49 am

Which means, if you approach (in online dating scenario where looks matters most at first) a man who is shorter than you, there's about 20% chance he won't care about your height at all, not bad. But if I approach a woman who is taller than me, there's a 4% she would accept it - so it's not really worth it, hence why I stopped trying with taller women.



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08 Feb 2017, 4:00 am

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
Which means, if you approach (in online dating scenario where looks matters most at first) a man who is shorter than you, there's about 20% change he won't care about your height at all, not bad. But if I approach a woman who is taller than me, there's a 4% she would accept it - so it's not really worth it, hence why I stopped trying with taller women.

What do you mean with "care"? Are you saying 4 guys on 5 would reject her because she is taller? Seriously?



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Peacesells wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
Which means, if you approach (in online dating scenario where looks matters most at first) a man who is shorter than you, there's about 20% change he won't care about your height at all, not bad. But if I approach a woman who is taller than me, there's a 4% she would accept it - so it's not really worth it, hence why I stopped trying with taller women.

What do you mean with "care"? Are you saying 4 guys on 5 would reject her because she is taller? Seriously?



That's according to the last study I posted - Still way better than 96 women on 100 rejecting him just for being shorter. don't you think?

And check the numbers, not only that, but women have greater height gap preferences than men. And unlike the popular belief, it's the short men, rather than tall men, who are more tolerant to accept taller women.



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08 Feb 2017, 4:43 am

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I have to say I've heard a lot guys express that aswell, thats why I'm so self-conscious about wearing heels.

If it's almost universally accepted that shorter height is more desirable in women then why do heels exist at all? I don't know any man who wouldn't date a woman because she is too short for him.



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The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
Peacesells wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
Which means, if you approach (in online dating scenario where looks matters most at first) a man who is shorter than you, there's about 20% change he won't care about your height at all, not bad. But if I approach a woman who is taller than me, there's a 4% she would accept it - so it's not really worth it, hence why I stopped trying with taller women.

What do you mean with "care"? Are you saying 4 guys on 5 would reject her because she is taller? Seriously?



That's according to the last study I posted - Still way better than 96 women on 100 rejecting him just for being shorter. don't you think?

And check the numbers, not only that, but women have greater height gap preferences than men. And unlike the popular belief, it's the short men, rather than tall men, who are more tolerant to accept taller women.

I am sorry, but I can't really believe that 4 men on 5 would reject a woman just because she is tall, lol. That sounds stupid. And it's on a dating site, where a man is usually the one who has to start conversation. And add the fact that tall women are genereally liked, I think men in general see it as a plus.
The study seems flawed to me.



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If it's almost universally accepted that shorter height is more desirable in women then why do heels exist at all? I don't know any man who wouldn't date a woman because she is too short for him.


Wearing heels makes the calves, thighs and even buttocks look different, even if a guy wears them somehow the legs look... more shapely and a bit longer, so I don't think it's about the height.

I'm a bit strange about the height differences as I seek out men who are only 2-3 inches taller than me on average (and I'm pretty short) and I'm not attracted to really tall ones. Somehow looking up when I speak to someone feels very awkward and hugging someone while standing, who's of a similar height feels sooo good :) like our bodies match, like jigsaw pieces. I generally like similar height, similar weight, all sorts of similarities in my partners, but I'm pretty unique among my female friends who (all of them!) prefer much taller men.