Why do Normies always blame men for their lack of dating?

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It is not impossible, since hypergamy is an instinct present in all females. It is however impossible to remove basic human instincts through culture.

Personally, I'm fine with that.

Red Pill dweebs can take their pseudo-science and rot.

I'm not a gold-digger. My mother isn't a gold-digger. Most women I know aren't gold-diggers. The men who want to hide on the internet and accuse women of being manipulative harpies because they won't "put out" don't deserve wives/girlfriends.

Read up on the Mosuo and Navajo, then you'll see how ridiculous your claim of instinct is because those two cultures directly contradict what you're claiming. When you get educated then we can have an educated discussion.

It concerns me because vulnerable young men are being taken in by this and whilst thinking they have found the key to pandora's box they are further alienating themselves from meaningful relationships.

I suppose I could say, "As long as they are happy it doesn't hurt me," but I don't think they are happy and that bothers me.

Especially as I discovered recently that a young man I know who is a very polite and quiet chap who I felt I got along quite well with is very into this red pill stuff. He's got so much to give with his warmth and his personality, I'd hate to think that he would be overcome by bitterness.

I get what you're saying, but people are comforted by simplistic explanations, which is why this "red pill/evo-pysch" crap tends to be so popular in certain circles.

It's hard to use logic to argue against something that's completed rooted in emotion. At some point, you just have to step back and let things play out. Either these men will pull their head out of their a$$, or they won't.

There's nothing really you can do about it.

Does he post here?

Anyways, I often feel sympathetic to the position that XFG is taking, especially since those guys are effectively eliminating themselves as 'competition' for men who aren't maladjusted, but at the same time no one deserves to be consumed with hate and bitterness and paranoia. Ultimately if they're unwilling to even question it, maybe they really do deserve everything that results, but at the same time when they're hurt and lonely and vulnerable it would be nice if someone could let them know taking a few sips of that poison may leave them toxic forever.

It actually doesn't. Hypergamy states that women will seek out men who are above them to mate with(resources, social status). Hypergamy is part of the maternal instinct. Since in the cultures you described, the females seem to be at the top of the dominance hierarchy, resources and social status are obviously out of the equation. But just because they don't have opportunity to act on their hypergamy, does not mean that they are not hypergamous. A lion that doesn't kill is still a lion.

Also the females in these cultures will most likely just go further down the list of importance, and select for good genes(percieved good genes, things like physical fitness, symmetry ect.) instead.

^ Don't get me wrong. I'm not completely devoid of sympathy, but, at the same time, I'm not going to twist myself into knots over it.

I get that, it's exhausting to care for people who are voluntarily choosing self-defeat. I might feel more motivated because I've gotten as close as holding the glass, I just realized it was poison before taking a sip. I figure I'm more likely to hear peers as they go down this road while women are more likely to have dealt with the consequences of this sort of thinking.

Great that you took your time to invalidate this "psuedo-science" using anecdotes.

I don't know what dweeb means, but I'll take it as a childish insult.

Yes, well you have to draw the line somewhere for the sake of your own sanity. You can take a horse to the water, but you can't make it drink.

Why should she waste more time arguing against nonsense than she already has? It's not as though you've bothered to support your opinions, so dismissing them as the nonsense they are is perfectly fair. Wrapping nonsense in scientific sounding wording doesn't make it suddenly valid.

I got you wrong then.

Telling people to rot didn't seem that sympathetic to me. Just my opinion though.

I'm not sure what the consequences look like. I've only known one man to be open about his sympathy lying toward the red pill way. I don't see him much anymore anyway because I've moved away. I can't really message him and say, "so what's up with this red pill thing? Why are you reading up on that?" He seems really shy and is single as far as I gather, so I can see him being the type to look for answers. He's also heavily into reading up on evolutionary theory so I could be appealing to him. I just don't want him thinking he's not as good as loud extrovert guys.

I haven't been mistreated in real life because of it. I find men to be so commitment phobic that they are careful not to make any move around me at all. But that could be shyness. I know one guy that I really liked and he had been knocked back and dumped several times over and I guess his self esteem was shot. I doubt he reads this stuff, but I couldn't find a way to reassure him. I maybe just wasn't right for him, who knows.

But I do think that more sensitive men don't want to make a move in case they get a bad reputation. Deep down they want something real, but they don't want to wreck friendships and they don't want to be seen as only being after sex, so things go no where with women because the women won't make a move because they are expecting him to and he won't make a move because her signals aren't obvious enough and it all falls apart.

But that's not the fault of the red pill websites. It's sweet guys who don't want to be seen in a bad light. I guess the red pill sites are trying to get them to own their masculinity and to a certain extent that's a good thing. Be more bold and make moves.

I'm rambling again. I'm so tired.

I hope you understand what I mean. Being a dude is hard, I get that. But don't fall into bitterness along your journey. Not everyone is out to trip you up and ruin you.

Why in the world should I waste time fretting over the opinions of a bunch of dweebs who write-me-off and vilify me based on the fact I was born with a vagina?

I've already debated this nonsense to death. Not gonna over exert myself ever time an "incel/red pill/MGTOW/whatever" he-man woman-hater shows up to hide behind a computer screen and take pot-shots at the female sex.

The Mosuo are swingers dude, they don't have marriage, they don't have 'families', they don't even have a word for jealousy. What they do have is a group, and that group is under the matriarch's protection, and they really don't give two s**ts about who has what like western culture promotes, they only care that the group is strong. The 'hypergamous' BS flies right out the window when we're not talking monogamy and both sides have multiple options. A Mosuo woman will have multiple children with multiple partners and likewise the men will have multiple children with multiple partners and no one in the society cares because the children aren't seen as an individual's child, but as the society's child. It's a hard concept for western people to wrap their head around because it's not based on greed and selfishness, but on group stability. Fun fact: the Mosuo society has been around in a contiguous form for over 3000 years, they are the oldest living continuous culture around, so they're obviously doing something right to have that kind of staying power.