Is the Red Pill Really So Bad?
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The_Face_of_Boo
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While some of the advice might be useful advice, there are millions of other places to get that advice without the hefty dose of misogyny and PUA (pick up artist for those who have no idea) bullpoop. For the most part, men following Red Pill "philosophy" WITH the indoctrination in misogyny that comes with it are not going to find good long term relationships with women who really truly care about them as people. Women who believe in healthy, long term, partnerships are going to run from the transactional and deception based scripting that is often suggested. I know. I've seen it happen.
If you have to manipulate a woman into having interest in you, then she will be interested in the facade you have created, not in you. Men who are themselves and are OK about it are much more attractive as long term partners. That's not to say people shouldn't work on themselves for the sake of being better at being them, but that should be a personal goal, not a check mark on a list that you think you need to fill up to get laid.
This is sound advice for your sons. It's the same relationship guidance that I've given my nephew, although I didn't know the term Red Pill until this week. Clearly, it's important to present yourself in an authentic way while dating or interacting with people for any situation regardless of your gender, orientation or relationship goal.
I find it ironic that there are misogynists on this website pointing fingers and stereotyping 'all' women as misandrists. Those same individuals have likely faced and rejected discrimination or stereotype toward their autism / neurodiversity, and sought to be seen as people with unique personalities. Women and mothers deserve no less. Generalising people into clichés is dangerous but also counter-productive if a relationship is truly sought.
All of my dating relationships ended because the man was hiding something about their personality in hopes of fitting a gender norm which they thought I'd prefer. I can say from first-hand experience that these charades got them nowhere, just as it does not behoove women to present a false facade.
Thanks again, puzzledoll, for your articulate and insightful posts!
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Please tell me someone took this guy out (the hard way).
Another guy yell back and bus driver just kept telling the guy he’ll have to wait for the next bus. He also banged on the bus windows.
The lady was old and used a walker to walk, she couldn’t t stand on the bus.
Most people seem to be selfish and so the guy didn’t care and so he yelled at her and called her names like the c word and b word
Please tell me someone took this guy out (the hard way).
Another guy yell back and bus driver just kept telling the guy he’ll have to wait for the next bus. He also banged on the bus windows.
The lady was old and used a walker to walk, she couldn’t t stand on the bus.
Most people seem to be selfish and so the guy didn’t care and so he yelled at her and called her names like the c word and b word
That's insane. I'm sorry you had to witness such vile behaviour. Did anyone comfort the woman on the bus?
Also I keep meaning to ask how your grandmother is doing? I hope she's recovered fully from her surgery.
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I sincerely hope you see the irony in this.
Not at all. Spell it out for me.
L - I - S - T - E - N - T - O - W- O - M- E - N

Plenty of women do want players? Thought women weren’t a hivemind?
I think the problem here is what aspie women on wp want doesn’t line up with what most women want. That said half the women here have mentioned they wouldn’t date a guy who doesn’t have a good job , car , home and is physically fit just like how most nt women want .
I don’t think I’ve talked to or seen many women who truly don’t care about a mans status or looks.
I’ve talked to plenty women married to rich men who say they don’t care but I don’t beleive it. It’s like billionaires telling homeless people they don’t need money.
Reality is those billionaires wouldn’t stand one day being poor.
My goal has always been to find a partner I actually like and have things in common with. Why would I pretend to be something I'm not to get someone I don't like?
Red pill makes no sense to me.
Nts make up the majority of women and there’s not enough women for every man definitely not enough aspie women for them and atleast half the aspie women are just as picky as nt women so now you’re stuck with 1/2 of 1/4 of the female population. How many of them are straight? How many are not asexual? How many are single? How many of those are wanting a relationship then how many of this find you attractive?
Maybe 5 in the whole usa. How do I find them? Oh I forgot quite a few aaspie women won’t datr aspie men, so now I’m looking for 1 maybe 2? Out of 320million people? And then there’s age difference So Age difference takes it down. We also have to have similar political beliefs and interests.
Narrowing yourself to be not aspies is stupid.
Reality is I’m far more likely to get a nt gf then aspie one. I won’t exclude aspies I don’t care about ones conditions. I won’t exclude nts either as they make up most women.
Honestly only 1/4 of the women on wp based on their posts would date s unemployed aspie man
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They're less confusing than NT women, who I agree are often too complicated. (As are NT men).
Actually, I think you have some interesting things to say. But in the context of dating women, as I've said, most women are NT. An Aspie woman's perspective isn't helpful (you're likely to be as socially clueless as we are, or at least more socially clueless than NTs).
Like you said, I don't know what 'you women' think. But I'm talking about NT women, and you don't really know what they think either, which is why I suggested not taking AS female advice on this subject (pertaining to NT women).
Aspie women seem far and few between. Plus, I think if I were an Aspie woman, I'd probably prefer an NT guy who could provide/protect me better than the average AS guy, and, more importantly, act as a crutch in social situations.
But, you agree that pursuing or dating an NT woman has been unsuccessful. Join some autistic communities or programs and I hope you can meet an Aspie female. You may think they'd want NT partners for stability but in the end NT men are exhausting because they usually want to socialise too much. I'd much rather settle down with someone who is equally corny, like me. (Also, I agree with hurtloam! HUGS to you!)
*The comment about gay bars wasn't for you specifically but for any man reading this who feels they want to go to a bar. Maybe they think alcohol will help them to be more sociable. Gay bars are really fun and there are usually women there who aren't looking for macho men, or who actually enjoy people for who they are*
I don’t drink and I’m poor so I don’t go to bars
I don’t get peoples fascination with alcohol
I’ve kinda come to terms if I ever get a gf I’ll have to deal with her getting drunk every week.
I have dated a man older than you who lived with his mother. He was unemployed (actually, to make matters worse he lied about having a job). He did not own a car. He was addicted to drugs and he was an alcoholic. He was somewhat good looking but that wasn't why I dated him. I dated him because he was kind to me and we had quite a bit in common. I didn't care if we got married because I didn't have an agenda about how the relationship would progress. I just let it happen and unfold like any other relationship does.
Most of the women I know have a checklist as follows:
Nice to me?
Interesting?
Good manners?
Similar interests?
Sexually compatible?
Sense of humour?
Not a psychopath?
It doesn't go much further than that. Obviously some women are looking for what you describe, but not all women. Likewise some men are looking for perfect models, sex kittens, mother-figures, yes-girls, trophy wives or dominant sex partners who are independent and wealthy. I know that isn't you, Sly, but there are men like that of course. To those who ask where all the aspie women are, please reach out in your own communities and find them by joining activities. Is there an autism dating site? I don't know because I haven't looked.
Also, I know many single fathers as well including my brother who fostered and adopted a child on his own. I know men who have fought the custody system after divorce, as well. I actually find the courts often favour fathers, and I don't stereotype which parent would be better based on their gender.
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There's a load of quirky none aspie women out there too.
From my understanding nt is anyone not aspie.
Nts can be inoverts or extroverts. There’s many sub groups of nts
Please tell me someone took this guy out (the hard way).
Another guy yell back and bus driver just kept telling the guy he’ll have to wait for the next bus. He also banged on the bus windows.
The lady was old and used a walker to walk, she couldn’t t stand on the bus.
Most people seem to be selfish and so the guy didn’t care and so he yelled at her and called her names like the c word and b word
That's insane. I'm sorry you had to witness such vile behaviour. Did anyone comfort the woman on the bus?
Also I keep meaning to ask how your grandmother is doing? I hope she's recovered fully from her surgery.
Another time there was a robber hiding in the buss so the police had to get everyone off.
Just the guy who tried to defend her.
She’s back home but spends more time in bed now due to pain.
We got her some smart lights too.
Please tell me someone took this guy out (the hard way).
Another guy yell back and bus driver just kept telling the guy he’ll have to wait for the next bus. He also banged on the bus windows.
The lady was old and used a walker to walk, she couldn’t t stand on the bus.
Most people seem to be selfish and so the guy didn’t care and so he yelled at her and called her names like the c word and b word
That's insane. I'm sorry you had to witness such vile behaviour. Did anyone comfort the woman on the bus?
Also I keep meaning to ask how your grandmother is doing? I hope she's recovered fully from her surgery.
Another time there was a robber hiding in the buss so the police had to get everyone off.
Just the guy who tried to defend her.
She’s back home but spends more time in bed now due to pain.
We got her some smart lights too.
I hope her test results were benign.
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I never give you my number, I only give you my situation.
Beatles
Most of the women I know have a checklist as follows:
Nice to me?
Interesting?
Good manners?
Similar interests?
Sexually compatible?
Sense of humour?
Not a psychopath?
It doesn't go much further than that. Obviously some women are looking for what you describe, but not all women. Likewise some men are looking for perfect models, sex kittens, mother-figures, yes-girls, trophy wives or dominant sex partners who are independent and wealthy. I know that isn't you, Sly, but there are men like that of course. To those who ask where all the aspie women are, please reach out in your own communities and find them by joining activities. Is there an autism dating site? I don't know because I haven't looked.
Also, I know many single fathers as well including my brother who fostered and adopted a child on his own. I know men who have fought the custody system after divorce, as well. I actually find the courts often favour fathers, and I don't stereotype which parent would be better based on their gender.
Maybe I should do drugs and drink alcohol then lol. Lots of unemployed drug user and drunks have gfs I don’t get it.
You should ask them if they’d date an unemployed man who lives with family and doesn’t own a car who’s also fat?
I’d wager most won’t.
Most women openly list the standard requirements, good job, car, own place others call it having your life together
So you’ll see that listed a lot INstead if the list, others add being athletic and handsome to the list. Then the other ones probably half of them will ask about my job and life status in first 3 messages then troll me sorry but they need a man with his life together
Oh another one is man with his s**t together which is just a cruder way of saying life together.
So that leaves me with a very small amount of women most of who don’t find me attractive or are either liberal or conservative and hate me for my beliefs.
I honestly at this point feel there’s no woman who could like me giving all my issues atleast ones that are single with no kids.
I am unemployed according to most women
I don’t own a car, I rent with family, I voted for trump, I own guns and am pro gun rights, I’m not a country boy, I’m pro welfare, I don’t hunt.
Seems to exclude me from all women.
Lady I’m cutting talking to I barely find attractive but she’s also liberal and anti trump so it won’t work out, she just likes to sext with me misty and ask for pic of my penis.
I wouldn’t mind a sex kitten in the bed. But I’m into pet play but i dont know if that what you mean by that.
I know most men are horrible I’ve never denied that I state it in fact what I don’t get is why women can’t admit the same or take any negative talk about other women. There’s seems to be a strong womanhood while there is no manhood, men turn on each other in a second, talk bad about another man they don’t onow and they’ll probably agree. But talk about how a woman is bad and other women jump in to defend her like an attack on one is an attack on them. It honestly confuses me cause that doesn’t happen with men. Man cheats in his gf/wife and most men will want to beat him up or kill him. Most men are pigs who see women as sex Toys. I’ve seen first hand how men degrade women. Most work sites with only men or majority men are full of it. Most chats with only men are full of it.
I get sent pictures of women followed by degrading comments about them that treat them as nothing more then a sex object.
So I’ll Never defend most men. When a woman comes to me and says her bf hit her, cheated on her, is cruel to her etc I side with them unless I know otherwise like in the case of my sister in law.
I just realized womanhood means united women community while manhood just means growing up. There literally is no idea of a united male community
What bothers me with dating and women is if you take away the job, car, home etc I meet 99% of their other requirements and wants.
So if they weren’t so superficial they’d probably be quite happy with me
I’ve had some tell me I’d make a great bf if not for being a loser
The average woman has a long line of male suitors to choose from all thanks to modern technology: social media and dating apps. Long gone are the good old days of marriages lasting a very long time. My grandparents have been married for 60 years, they are part of a better generation of people that have morals and values. People today do not have morals and values and give up easily on relationships and modern technology makes it easier for women to find their next partner(s). Females are more community minded, form better social networks and work together in a team. Males work against each other, are not good at forming social networks, are more individualistic and do not work together in teams.
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Wait, shouldn't we be doing that?
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