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Not totally related to what you are saying but in my dating experience when women found out I only had a slightly below average income they usually scurried like rats. It didn't matter that I have a more stable job than 99.9% of men or that I had a reasonably good savings account. Hate to say but even my own wife was let down once I "opened the books" after engagement even though she will never admit it. Everyone who sees me at first thinks that because of my intelligence and multiple diplomas/degrees I must be rich: many seem to assume I am a college professor for some bizarre reason. I wish!

... and it’s those living on skid row, that have the most appeal ... I have helped a couple... Some women clearly are very shallow, want an easy life. I have always enjoyed a challenge ... and the harder something is to achieve, the more worthwhile ... to watch someone who once literally struggled/crawled through life, become someone who goes onto help others, and bring about change in others’ lives, is a beautiful thing, quite rare, but very worthwhile.

As a (somewhat) exception in my generation, a man who didn't want to marry a woman who's not financially independent or wanted to be a "housewife", for reasons that had nothing to do with money or riches, I understand the desire for your partner to be financially stable and responsible - which doesn't mean rich.

Sly, could you use a site that doesn't have that requirement? You're obviously both financially stable and responsible, even if your income is modest - I'm thinking some people might not be able to tell the difference.

And how would you know that?
My area isn’t known for factory jobs. We don’t seem to produce much. We are known for lumber and lumber jobs. So there’s cutting tree jobs and lumber I’ll jobs neither which are good for someone like me.
And we have charcoal factories, again it good for me.
Then we have call centers but phones give me majority anxiety.

I don’t live in California or east coast.
We have like 10 mills well less one burnt down in massive fire.
Our economy is built around trees.
Only thing Oregon seems to produce beside trees is charcoal and two gun companies.
Otherwise it seems to mostly be service industry.

Most people work in some form of customer service

Most women list it as requirement. And most who don’t ask in first messages.
I don’t think it’s stable they care about that’s just a smoke screen, they want to be upper middle class or rich. They want to be like the Kennedy’s. Like movie stars. Traveling the world in style.

Doesn’t seem to be many women happy in the area they grew up in.
I don’t think there use to be this mass desire to travel. In past most people died in the town they were born in never leaving it. But now most 18 year olds have already been to 10 countries.

When I see “ I plan to visit a different country every year”
I know they won’t consider me.

Over all I’d say a big problem is that there just isn’t any poor single women, aren’t any homebody single women, aren’t any non superficial single women.

All the single women are successful and world travels, makes me wonder why they’re single? Like why is some gorgeous 10/10 well off, college degree, world traveler single and having to go to dating sites to find a guy?

Dating sites tend to be fire people who can’t find someone in person
Same for the hot college girls. Can’t they find some hot college guy, go to college parties etc?

There’s a few possible homebody women but they always far away. Guess woman in ,u hick town is sucesfuL extrovert.

My experience has shown that Uk and European women are less superficial but they also thousands of miles away across a ocean.
Most American women are super superficial and pretty much all the single ones are it seems, I’ve met plenty nice married ones. But then again i dont know how true that is. It’s easy to say you’d date a poor man while your married to a well off man
Similar to how people say they’d help poor people then when one comes along they make excuses and say no.
So I don’t think many of those married women would and hench married a well off man.

I had to google what Skid Row and Bel Air were...
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My father was a poor engineer.
Probably hard to imagine for capitalist Americans but it was communist Poland.
He's a decent guy. He got married without any outlooks of becoming rich, he couldn't afford a flat or a car in communist Poland. I'm sure my then-21yo-mother sensed he's a decent guy and that's all what she cared for. He could hold his job without a problem but it didn't give any benefits in realities of that time.
Times changed. Poland transited to global capitalism when I was 4. My father founded his own business that often cost more than it earned. He's still rather hard up.
I expected to find someone for me among IT students. That's because boys of my generation in Poland typically chose IT if they were any gifted in Math. I'm gifted in Math and I found out the hard way that boys don't like their GF to be much better than them in Math. I was used to being poor but the time changed and there were no more poor engineers in my generation.
I think when we come to it honestly, I don't care for being rich but I do care for employability. I wouldn't like to be married to a guy who hates his job. This would mean scenes of unhappiness every morning. Money wouldn't make up for it.

I wouldn’t know about European or UK women, as I’m Australian. Having lived in both the Uk and the US, though, I’d say that US women appear to place higher value on a man who will “provide” a wealthy existence. I have always made my own way in the world,having been told by my father, that women don’t need an education, and are soley meant for marriage and child-rearing(an aspie father, at that). After being refused an education beyond year 10, I got myself a part-time job to ensure I could pay for Secondary Ed(years 11 & 12). Then, I got a full-time job, moved into my own apartment, then saved for Uni. Self sufficiency is important to me. Gotta have values in this world, or you lose yourself...

Bear with me - I'm European and old enough to be your father, I never did any "American dating" (as we call it here), nevermind online dating.

The Kennedys?! This seems excessive and they were a very dysfunctional and unhappy couple to boot. Middle class or the income you listed would definitely not be able to pay for any of that or "seeing a new country every year".

Look, where I live the whole economy is built around working couples and people still have ingrained in them (culturally) that they have to be responsible with money and that debt is shameful (sure, some buy into the "American consumerist dream", but not the most and I speak as someone who works with people your age and younger).

The reason I personally didn't want to marry a "housewife" was that my own background made me fully aware that I could die, get ill or hit by some other misfortune at any time - I was horrified by the idea that my wife and especially kids might end up being forced to rely on another man, end up in the street or be seen as a burden. Being financially (and generally) responsible and stable (both partners) is very important if people want to raise a family.

As for the rest... I don't know what to tell you, it sounds like a nightmare to me. If that's what online dating is, these people must be completely delusional.

On one hand, you are way better off without someone like that in your life, at least you don't earn enough for them to eat you alive. On the other, I still see some very sensible, down to earth and responsible young women around these parts, who look for sensible, stable partners instead of the bar-fly, one-night stand type of guy.

Financial success, just like financial disaster can sometimes hit "unexpectedly" - if you're already married, they will both be some of the most solid tests on how well you chose your partner.

I can’t date European women so it doesn’t help me. I can’t even date outside my city.

Would those women actually date a guy in government disability though?

I'm not 100% sure for most, but someone in a similar situation to yours definitely would - pooling your resources would already make a difference and of course, you get a significant tax except if you get married, 9-month maternity leave, childcare allowance, there's no "at-will" employment etc. More people here seem happy to live a modestly comfortable existence and keep in mind that our state provides way more generously in terms of health insurance and public services. I see plenty of people willing to live that way if they feel secure and don't have to worry about not being able to cover their basic needs.

Very few 18-year-olds.....especially Americans.....have been to "10 countries."

It's much easier for a European person to visit 10 countries----because there are 10 countries within a smaller area than the entire United States. They don't have to fly 3,000 miles; all they have to do is take the train. A UK person can visit four countries within a few hours on the train: France, Belgium, Luxenbourg, and the Netherlands.

You can easily travel by train (cheaply) and cover a lot of ground here, that's true!

Come to think of it, there are at least 15 nations within maybe 1/2 of the area of the United States.

You can probably get to Russia in only a couple of days. I know you can get to Romania in just one long day.

And you can take one of those ICE trains.

In the US, we don't have fast trains like that. I can drive 900 miles to Chicago in one long day; but a train or bus invariably takes a couple of days.

The nations of Central America are at least a two-day drive from the Mexican-US border.

You don't even have to see the whole country and I wouldn't recommend that kind of "speed" visiting anyway, you won't be left with much