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11 Jun 2022, 10:43 pm

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When you think about it, the entire human race might not be here is women didn't fake an orgasm.



To be honest, I disagree ... but that's OK.
I doubt men cared that much throughout history.
It was all about them.

I'd be more inclined to say a lot of the human race was conceived through rape or lack of consent.
That includes wives and girlfriends who weren't in the mood.

I'm not saying women can't be in the mood.
I just doubt most men knew how to get them there.


Oh sorry, I mean't that to be tongue in cheek.

Yes I agree with your points. Women were considered property up the 19th century so were likely take by their husbands when they were not ready so likely conception happened when they weren't in the mood.

An interesting fact is that the old Anglo-Saxon word for woman was "Wife-man" which literally means belonging to a man.


It's also worth noting that man wasn't as strictly gendered and that wer/were and wereman were used to refer to males. Wergild was the compensation owed after a murder, for example.


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11 Jun 2022, 10:47 pm

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Uh ... anything sexual?
Anything he does for his own arousal can be arousing for their partner.
Why wouldn't it be?


Well why are women faking orgasms then, if anything the man does for himself with her is acceptable?



I said everything he does has a potential to be arousing.
It could be arousing. That doesn't mean it is.
All women are different and their sensory system is different.

It depends if he's able to arouse her mind when he does whatever he does.
It's kind of an attitude thing, or an imagination thing.
The same is true for woman-woman sex.

People seem hung up on thinking they can only stimulate women by doing XYZ physically.
They tend to focus too much on obvious places.

In my opinion the game is more mental than physical.
I can't speak for all women, though.
Likewise I have no idea why some women fake orgasms.
I'm not some women.


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11 Jun 2022, 10:54 pm

That makes sense. Well one thing that may be selfish is when my women friends tell me that a guy 'orgasmed too fast and he couldn't help it'... But could he really not help it, or did he likely not bother to hold off at all because he was selfish I wonder.



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11 Jun 2022, 10:59 pm

I prefer it that way. ^
That doesn't mean it's over.


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11 Jun 2022, 10:59 pm

Oh why do you prefer it that way out of curiosity?



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11 Jun 2022, 11:10 pm

Because ... it feels good?
It smells good?
It tastes good?
It creates a great sensation.

I love the look on his face.
I love everything about it.

It relates back to "I want you to want me", which is mentally arousing.

I know I'm doing something they like.
That's empowering and sexy. ^
It's like a confidence booster.

It's fun to build him up again too.


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11 Jun 2022, 11:20 pm

That makes sense, and those are good points :). But if he is being selfish, and is it in for only his own pleasure, does that bother you at all, or no?



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11 Jun 2022, 11:26 pm

I still don't understand what you mean by that.
I don't want to name sexual things or be graphic about it, but what is "selfish" ?

Maybe their selfish thing that they like involves stimulating you?
Even if it isn't, our bodies have sensory nerves all over.
They aren't just in one or two spots.

PIV sex can be considered "selfish" for a man.
Why can't PIV be arousing for his partner, either physically or mentally?
Same with oral.
Same with anything.

I don't really get it.

Quickies? I love them -- if that's what you're after.


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11 Jun 2022, 11:38 pm

Oh I guess I mean sometimes women say all the guy does it is hump then and that's it, no effort to pleasure her further, if that helps?



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11 Jun 2022, 11:40 pm

Why would she be with him, then?


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11 Jun 2022, 11:42 pm

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Why would she be with him, then?


Well you said it yourself that the guy just doing that even in a quickie is hot, so you tell me? :)



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11 Jun 2022, 11:46 pm

ironpony wrote:
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Why would she be with him, then?


Well you said it yourself that the guy just doing that even in a quickie is hot, so you tell me? :)


You're referring to women who don't like quickies.
Why would they stay with that person, if they don't like it?
If it happens once or twice and they're not into it, they need to cut and run.

Quickies don't have to be selfish for men though.
Just so you know.


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12 Jun 2022, 12:07 am

That makes sense. Good points :).



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12 Jun 2022, 12:15 am

ironpony wrote:
That makes sense. Good points :).


I've had too much whiskey - lmao.
It's pretty rare for me to talk about sex on here.
I best shut up now before I embarrass myself or my partner.


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12 Jun 2022, 12:57 am

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But I realize hooking up is a bit different, but idk even in a hook up a woman may not want to make it obvious if she is not getting there, especially if the guy is really trying. Because she doesn't want to hurt his feelings. Not saying that is better than being honest, but I can understand why women may not want to make it so obviouis the sex isn't great.


My understanding of popular hookup sites is that the women using these sites also don't want inexperienced men because precisely the reason you mentioned that the sex won't be great and they will have to do all the work.

Therefore its not so much the look that attracts the female users but the impression the dude is "experienced" so can satisfy. This might be another reason why "bad boys" get a lot of female attention. The perception is the man is experienced so the sex will be good.


Yeah perhaps, i don't nessisarily disagree that a woman could assume a guy who has had more sex partners may be like good at sex. But just pointing out a high body count does not mean that for certain. I mean a guy with a high body count could end up being the source of multiple complaints from women who hook up saying how the sex wasn
't really that good on reddit.

LIke I just get the impression not all guys with a high body count are actually good at sex, maybe they are better at getting a one night stand but that doesn't mean they actually took care to make sure the woman got the same amount of pleasure they did during it. But I admit I was always looking for a boyfriend, but ended up in hook up situations but I thought having the sex might end up turning into something longer term(which was kind of naive). LIke I did not realize it would be best to be upfront I want a boyfriend girlfriend relationship and am not interested in anything else. But I was naive and just assumed like having sex with a guy would make them consider being a longer term partner. No turns out I should have always stuck to I want a boyfriend to have sex with, not I'll have sex with a guy hoping they will be my boyfriend.

But yeah so in my experience I got so much unsatisfying sex, I figured I was asexual...turns out tons of hook up oriented guys aren't actually 'great' at sex, they are great at get themself off with a woman but not nessisarily ensuring the woman also gets her orgasm. Like a guy may have a high body count, but does he give the stats on how many women were actually satisfied or not by a one night stand with them.


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12 Jun 2022, 1:09 am

IsabellaLinton wrote:
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That makes sense. Good points :).


I've had too much whiskey - lmao.
It's pretty rare for me to talk about sex on here.
I best shut up now before I embarrass myself or my partner.


:lol: well done Isabella