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27 Dec 2018, 4:02 pm

IsabellaLinton wrote:

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Then don't tell them generalisations.

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The rich often go further into debt than the "non-rich", because they feel entitled to having the best of everything. Then, their marriages implode and they get a cold, hard wake-up call about divorce costs, child support, alimony and debt repayment which often includes bankruptcy.

Generalization is usually based on something common, but what she is saying is not even common or based on any stats.

Losing money due to divorce can happen to any class.

But only to one sex.

Most often but it's not a rule. If you married and divorced a rich woman for instance, you probably wouldn't be the one losing out

And when has a rich woman ever married a poor man? Women are naturally hypergamous. It would never happen.

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Which sex is that? I've seen both partners devastated by divorce, rich and poor alike, men and women alike.

In general. But when talking strictly about financial loss, the man is always the loser and the woman is always the winner.

Always? Really?
Do you know any single mothers, for example, or see how they struggle to have custody or provide for their children?

Do you know the legal costs for either parent?

That being said, I know many single fathers who have trouble providing for their children as well.

The system is terrible at collecting child support whether from mothers or fathers, or supporting children in general.

It's a lose-lose proposition to get divorced. There are no winners.

I’ve seen a few cases where the dad has the kids but still has to pay child support to the mom.

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27 Dec 2018, 4:05 pm

That would be absolutely wrong, Sly.

One of my relatives (female) paid child support to a male who had the kids only part-time. New York is a state that requires child support till age 21.

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27 Dec 2018, 4:08 pm

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Ironically, if I would get a divorce, I would probably come out the "winner" should I bother to pursue my "rights" fully.

In reality, should I get a divorce, I would just go my way, and she would go hers. She has lots more money than me.

It's money she earned through hard work. It would be totally immoral for me to pursue getting any of that money which she worked so hard for.

My good friend (male) is divorced and it was the same for him. His wife was extremely wealthy and when they divorced he didn't ask for a penny. He could have, but he didn't.

Also to the person who said that women with money will 'never' marry a man without money because of biology -- I disagree.

Many women in my life have married men with less, including my grandmother who lost everything to marry my grandfather. Even in my personal situation, I've only been with men who had considerably less. It was because those happened to be the men I cared about, not because of a political statement.

I suppose some women wouldn't marry for less, just as some men with money wouldn't want to marry a woman with limited means. Many men are afraid they are gold diggers.

Both genders marry for more / less at times, and there's no biological imperative for women to only want more.

Anyone who’s born after 1988?
What our grandparents did is irrelevant to modern times.
My grandparents were rich, I’m not. What they weren’t doesn’t have any action on my generation. My generation was raised being told to date well off men, thst poor men aren’t good enough and are losers. It’s fall brainwashing or programming. If you tell a woman for 18 years to date up and poor men are losers, most will just accept thst and do as told. Some will question it. That’s how societi s work. Most people blindly accept what society taught them no questions asked. Society says jump, they ask how high.
It’s why we aspies are seen as odd and adnormal, we don’t blindly follow society we don’t meet societies standards, so we are odd.

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27 Dec 2018, 4:10 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:

That would be absolutely wrong, Sly.

One of my relatives (female) paid child support to a male who had the kids only part-time. New York is a state that requires child support till age 21.

Lots of things that happen are wrong. The world is a cruel unforgiving place. Best we can do is try to fight back those wrongs but theyll exist as long as humans do.
If someone can get away with something they will. Humans aren’t moral beings, we strive to create moral societies but they fail cause we aren’t all moral.

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27 Dec 2018, 4:11 pm

Many mothers and fathers pay child support as required.
Many mothers and fathers evade paying child support or become deadbeats.
Gender makes no distinction. It's the children who suffer and the lawyers who profit.

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27 Dec 2018, 4:11 pm

What I just described is rare. In the vast majority of cases, the people with the kids (male or female) get child support.

The guy manipulated the courts, I think, in the case of my relative.

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27 Dec 2018, 4:13 pm

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And sure, there are women who will marry men who have relatively less money, but only to a degree. A woman with a net worth of $200K might marry a man whose net worth is only $198K, but you will never see her with a man who is on welfare or making minimum wage.

It is very unlikely that you will ever see any woman of means entering into a "rescue marriage" with a man of no means at all.

Don’t see you calling it thst when it’s men marrying low paid or unemployed women
So why’s it charity and rescue for men but normal marriage for women?

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27 Dec 2018, 4:20 pm

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I'm not MOST of these things----and I've done all right :ninja:

I make way under a six-figure salary.

I don't have a "six pack."

I'm way under 6 feet tall.

I don't have a 600 horsepower car. How many people do?

I might have been more than six months out of a relationship a few times in the past.

As far as "below the belt," it's average. Maybe six inches.

I don't have a "sixth sense."

In the real world, average people hook-up with average people, and the world continues to rotate.

But to some, mostly the socially maladroit set, dating sites and trashy internet articles have become "reality." It's sad.

In the past maybe
In today’s reality most people have this or similar lists and so over half the USA population is single. Far more then in the past.
People keep hoping to find that perfect guy or perfect girl that never comes along cause they themselves aren’t perfect.

Just like people who’ve been unemployed for tens of years cause their waiting for the perfect job.

No.

I've worked many "menial" jobs, and most everybody I worked with, the men included, had relationships. And being "single" does not mean that people aren't hooking-up.

Hooking up isn’t a relationship.
Women will sleep with men they’d never date, women like sex too.
We are talking about relationships and half Americans aren’t in a relationship nor been in one in a while. Why? If women were picky surely most would be in a relationship.
There’s loads of men for them to date, they just aren’t well off men.
Die or even rats are at all time high too.
Birth rates are reaching a point of no return. Society is dying around you and you don’t notice or care. Well have a bunch of old single people with. It enough young people to pay their retirement. My generation will probably have to wait until 90 to retire and keep working all while complaining about being alone and having no men to date,
Lots of single picky 40 old women are now looking back with regret. Quite a few of the single men kill themselves.
Society is failing. We can’t not sustain this path.societys need to pair up and reproduce to continue. Ours is isolating itself, becoming more anti social.
I don’t get how anyone can see all this and think it’s ok.

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27 Dec 2018, 4:24 pm

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What happen. I feel asleep. Are we on divorce now? Hypergamy? I can't keep up.

Better to go back to sleep, things went to the usual boring stuff.

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27 Dec 2018, 4:27 pm

fluffysaurus wrote:

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No.

I've worked many "menial" jobs, and most everybody I worked with, the men included, had relationships.

Same. Some of them more than one relationship going at the same time.

I've also been around a lot of guys who don't work at all, particularly when I was a bar maid, and they were mostly

in relationships most of the time. No, they weren't good looking or rich. They were mostly in bad nick and a bad

risk, but they were also sociable.

Only people working min wage jobs paring up are the ones going to college.
“Have a good job or be in college”
Why? College in theory leds to a good job.
So men in college aren’t losers.
Men who are working min wage as their sole job, not in colleg and will work min wage for the rest of their lives aren’t getting dates.
Min wage for most people is a stepping stone to something better,
All the women’s at my work are in college or dating or married to a man with a good job.
They come and go non stay for more then two years, except the wine married to good paid guy. They working for the extra income and discounts, I’ve heard them say so.
3/4 the men are going to college, other half are half retired men working for discounts, or men like me where this is it for them.
I’m 30.
Most the men and women working min wage are 18-24 and they talk about their future and love life. Talk about college. And then they like why are yiu here sly. Don’t yiu want better.dont you want a gf don’t yiu want a family, cause they kniw no woman will date men working min wage only with no future.

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27 Dec 2018, 4:38 pm

No sly, even most of the fat and smelly taxi drivers I’ve encountered had wives and children, and I highly doubt they have college degrees.
(They usually come from communities where matchmaking and semi-arranged marriages are common though)

Your problem is not just because of work, but mostly because of lack of social life and ability to socialize.

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27 Dec 2018, 4:41 pm

sly279 wrote:

XFilesGeek wrote:

sly279 wrote:

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kraftiekortie wrote:

I'm not MOST of these things----and I've done all right :ninja:

No.

I've worked many "menial" jobs, and most everybody I worked with, the men included, had relationships. And being "single" does not mean that people aren't hooking-up.

Sorry, but you don't get to define what constitutes a "relationship."

And the low birth rate is due to many factors that occur in most post-industrial societies, not just women "being picky," but nice job trying to pin the doom of society on women.

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27 Dec 2018, 4:44 pm

sly279 wrote:

fluffysaurus wrote:

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No.

I've worked many "menial" jobs, and most everybody I worked with, the men included, had relationships.

No.

Every menial job I've worked has had people of both sexes who were not going to college, but were in relationships.

If it makes you feel better to think that the only reason women won't date you is because you're not super rich, fine, but don't be surprised when the rest of us roll our eyes.

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27 Dec 2018, 4:47 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:

What I just described is rare. In the vast majority of cases, the people with the kids (male or female) get child support.

The guy manipulated the courts, I think, in the case of my relative.

My biology father avoids it by changing jobs every 3 months.

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27 Dec 2018, 4:50 pm

XFilesGeek wrote:

sly279 wrote:

fluffysaurus wrote:

XFilesGeek wrote:

No.

I've worked many "menial" jobs, and most everybody I worked with, the men included, had relationships.

Well ebery job I’ve had didnt.
So maybe stop claiming I’m making it up or lying. For all I onow you’re making it up to feel better, but I certainly wouldn’t say you are like you just did to me.

I’m not the only one who accepts reality here on wp. Lots of men say the same things women too.
And millions of millions outside of wp. Must be something to it so many people are seeing it and saying it, but no I’m just imagining it, suppose the sky’s not blue either?
I’d never insult you by telling yiu your experiences are just made up.

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27 Dec 2018, 4:51 pm

sly279 wrote:

fluffysaurus wrote:

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No.

I've worked many "menial" jobs, and most everybody I worked with, the men included, had relationships.

The drive for women to find financially stable men largely comes from a desire to have adequate resources for their future children. Any woman who wants to be a stay at home mother can't do so if in a relationship with you, as somebody needs to provide resources for the child, and part time min wage simply isn't going to suffice, so the woman has two options: date you and know that if she has children with you, she's going to have to be the breadwinner and you'd take on the role of the stay-at-home parent, or worse, she has to do everything herself or find someonewho makes enough to aid with the financial costs of rearing a child.

In the hunter-gatherer days, men would go out, hunt the food, maybe gather firewood and protect the women, etc while women would raise the children. The modern incarnation of that is the man going out and gathering resources from working and providing value to society, and the woman looking after the children, and while gender roles are more flexible in that regard than ever, you still need to have something to entice a woman to want to be with you over the other options she has in the form of other men. If you're not rich and work a good job, you need to be physically attractive, if you have neither of those things going for you, you need to at least be average and have exceptional social skills. If not that then you need something. What do you have that has the capacity to entice a woman into wanting to choose you as the only ma she wants to spend the rest of her life with? The less you have, the less options you have, and if the answer is nothing then that's what you're going to get back

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