Why men are increasingly preferring Video Games over dating

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Sallamandrina
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07 Apr 2011, 7:52 am

Because of course the main and only criteria of judging a potential partner is how they look with only 3 categories: hot, average and ugly. Oh no, I forgot, there's also money :twisted:

Let me guess, are you single?


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07 Apr 2011, 7:56 am

Videogames = instant gratification
Dating = not-so-instant-depending-on-the-people-involved gratification.

We're impatient people in general so...yeah. Videogames it is! :D



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07 Apr 2011, 8:14 am

Sallamandrina wrote:
Because of course the main and only criteria of judging a potential partner is how they look with only 3 categories: hot, average and ugly. Oh no, I forgot, there's also money :twisted:


In my native language "ugly" is the same as "unattractive" or "undesirable partner", so things can fail in translation to english. I actually think in my language, and write down the post in english. So there's translation going between the two... From thought to post. In my language, that word captures generally all things that make a person an attractive prospect, not just physical looks. I edited the post above with the right terms.



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07 Apr 2011, 8:20 am

AlekNovy wrote:
Sallamandrina wrote:
Because of course the main and only criteria of judging a potential partner is how they look with only 3 categories: hot, average and ugly. Oh no, I forgot, there's also money :twisted:


In my language "ugly" is the same as "unattractive" or "undesirable partner", so things can fail in translation to english. In my language, that word captures generally all things that make a person an attractive prospect, not just physical looks. I edited the post with the right terms.


Oh, I see. I apologise then, it sounded very simplistic put like that so I'm glad it's not the way you think :)


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07 Apr 2011, 8:29 am

Erisad wrote:
Videogames = instant gratification
Dating = not-so-instant-depending-on-the-people-involved gratification.

We're impatient people in general so...yeah. Videogames it is! :D


That's another easy way to sum it up.

Basically

- Today women's criteria have grown (they demand more from men then women in the 50's did)
- Today, men however have more instant gratification channels than men in the 50's

I have no idea why everyone commenting on my article is missing the part where I clearly state something like "great, loving relationship with an amazing woman is OBVIOUSLY superior to [the forms of instant gratification]"... But the truth is, its basic human nature to be instant-gratification minded. I've been accused of saying "women are always inferior to watching porn"... Lol.

Nope... Its kind of like "Do I want to have the pizza now, binge on it and have instant gratification NOW, or do I want to have a six-pack 5 years from now?".

My article is a response to the endless barrage of books, columns and shaming hit-pieces aimed at the male gender. Its biased because I'm responding to thousands of female-centric and female-biased pieces... Pieces which take 0.000% effort into understanding men, or figuring men out. They all basically say "women aren't getting what they want from men = men are evil lazy losers"...

There is zero attempt at understanding men's motivations, desires... There's zero attempt to understand what men put in, and what they get out. All of the mainstream media seems to treat men as some sort of robots. As if men's only function in life is to please women and serve society... with no individual desires of their own.



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07 Apr 2011, 8:40 am

Lol, besides sex isn't all that great and porn is hilarious and pizza is awesome. :D



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07 Apr 2011, 8:53 am

Self discipline and delayed gratification can do wonders :wink:

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My article is a response to the endless barrage of books, columns and shaming hit-pieces aimed at the male gender. Its biased because I'm responding to thousands of female-centric and female-biased pieces... Pieces which take 0.000% effort into understanding men, or figuring men out. They all basically say "men aren't giving women what women want = men evil losers"...

I fully agree with this, but not everybody is so ...brainwashed. It would be a nightmare to live amongst people who take their "wisdom" from innate media drivel.

Your article interested me because my husband loves video games. It never crossed my mind to feel in competition with them :lol: In 9 years together we never had one single argument about it and we also like playing together.

The dating experience you describe is quite alien to me - probably different generations and cultural backgrounds and me always being oblivious to how things are "supposed to be done". That being said, I think both men and women should more critical and realistic in the same time in their standards (realistic not as in lowering them but as in understanding better what kind of partner would suit them) and that more women should use the freedom they have these days to "make the first move".


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07 Apr 2011, 9:02 am

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I fully agree with this, but not everybody is so ...brainwashed. It would be a nightmare to live amongst people who take their "wisdom" from innate media drivel.


Of course. I've met plenty of women who understand this dynamics so well, they might have written the article themselves. These women are very secure, very confident, don't feel threatened by video-games or porn and they're highly sought after. And yes, they understand men and that men are different and have different needs.

My article is a response to the women who don't get it. It doesn't say that all women on the planet don't get it. In fact, most of the women who do "get it", are able to read the article and they know it doesn't apply to them. The women who are exceptions, they know they're the exception.


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Your article interested me because my husband loves video games. It never crossed my mind to feel in competition with them :lol: In 9 years together we never had one single argument about it and we also like playing together.


As you said, this is probably because you're in the group who never fell under the brainwashing. You were confident enough to resist the media brainwashing that tells girls "unless a man goes out of his way to invest a 100% of his attention into you, then he's a loser, and doesn't really love you".

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The dating experience you describe is quite alien to me - probably different generations and cultural backgrounds and me always being oblivious to how things are "supposed to be done".


It is a new trend. Not many people know this, but involuntary single-hood and involuntary virginity have been rising for the past decade. Young men and women are finding it harder and harder to get together.



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07 Apr 2011, 9:22 am

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As you said, this is probably because you're in the group who never fell under the brainwashing. You were confident enough to resist the media brainwashing that tells girls "unless a man goes out of his way to invest a 100% of his attention into you, then he's a loser, and doesn't really love you".

As I said I'm clueless, I've never heard that and I would hate to have it happen to me. I would suspect the guy is a psychopath or control freak and run for the hills. TBH I doubt you have much chances to convince people who are so stupid and spineless to believe something like this but I understand why you want to expose such BS.


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07 Apr 2011, 11:22 am

I understand this..it makes lots of sense..and I also understand why a man who prefers videogames to courtship/sex would bother to attempt it..while compromising as little as possible...the thing that gives them the further gratification with less expenditure..even an ASish IT-oriented logic-driven sort has emotions...Females who are not unfeeling plastic supermodels can be good companions...but even ASish females have emotional needs that need to be met..blah blah...I am not exactly sure of my point..really...nevermind.



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07 Apr 2011, 11:32 am

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But we , as men , should focus on this :" I wouldn't be surprised if the trend of men rejecting women is real."

This is a good trend, and will make things more balanced to our favor ;).


I said as much to ToadofSteel. Every man who opts out is one man less that you are competing with for womens' attention.

But there is a catch: even if this is real, you can't just sit back and wait for women to come to you. Because there are plenty of men who won't opt out. What they will do instead is sleep with lots of women. There is that other thread about "29 year old man has 21 kids" or whatever the number was. He's an outlier but he should also be a heads up. Woman aren't going to go pounding on doors looking for hidden men. They'll share the ones who don't opt out. So if you still have to put yourself out there.


I am totally aware that the world won't change so quickly ,if it will ever change. I am just being theoretical.

All what I am saying that men should change their attitude gradually, if they become less and less aggressive in pursuing women, women should become more and more .... aggressive for men , hence balance.

What? Are you afraid that a such theory can become a reality one day ? ;)



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07 Apr 2011, 11:38 am

AlekNovy wrote:
Janissy wrote:
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But we , as men , should focus on this :" I wouldn't be surprised if the trend of men rejecting women is real."

This is a good trend, and will make things more balanced to our favor ;).


I said as much to ToadofSteel. Every man who opts out is one man less that you are competing with for womens' attention.

But there is a catch: even if this is real, you can't just sit back and wait for women to come to you. Because there are plenty of men who won't opt out. What they will do instead is sleep with lots of women. There is that other thread about "29 year old man has 21 kids" or whatever the number was. He's an outlier but he should also be a heads up. Woman aren't going to go pounding on doors looking for hidden men. They'll share the ones who don't opt out. So if you still have to put yourself out there.


Personally, I believe women are playing a waiting game. They're waiting to see if men really are serious about this "won't pursue thing". Sure, they're writing more and more "shaming" colums where they proclaim non-pursuers to be losers... But those are really last-ditch attempts before they buckle and start pursuing men themselves.

They're barely restraining themselves from starting to in fact "pound on men's doors". They might whine and whine and write columns about how "men need to pursue", but the reality on the street is very different. Women are noticing that their sisters who do pursue men, are getting better results. They try to shame these women away from pursuing by labelling them as "sl*ts", but its not working.

More and more women ARE pursuing men. More and more women are approaching men, and more and more women are asking out men... In essence, the boycott is working. Women would prefer it didn't, but what you don't get is the following (also following your logic).

- The men who DO pursue, are pursuing the more desirable women, not average or below-average and are less likely to SETTLE
- The average and undesirable women who DO break the traditional role will get better results than women who don't. Any time you notice an unattractive girl with a more desirable guy, interview them and you will find out SHE asked him out, she pursued him and maybe even did a lot of the initiation.
- As more men boycott the pursuing role, more women will figure out their choice is between A) a womanizer they have to share with 30 other women B) asking out a decent guy themselves C) settling for a less desirable man

Right now, its really a game of stubbornness. Which gender will be the more stubborn one and better able to prove they can do without the other.


Vive la révolution!

In fact, I find it more logical if women are the one who initiate the contact and ask the guys out, they are the ones who should select for the best provider of their future family and they are the ones who are more picky and with less tolerance toward the potential partner's flaws , ...in other term, they are mainly the selectors.

So why doing it indirectly? do it directly!



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07 Apr 2011, 11:46 am

^ Good point, Boo. I have always pursued the gents so I guess I'll just keep doing what I'm doing. :D



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07 Apr 2011, 11:53 am

^^ honestly now, forget what the ladies usually tell you "oh this is not right, you should wait for the guy to talk to you" , didn't your luck in dating became better once you started doing this?



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07 Apr 2011, 11:55 am

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
^^ honestly now, forget what the ladies usually tell you "oh this is not right, you should wait for the guy to talk to you" , didn't your luck in dating became better once you started doing this?


Pretty much, I was single all my life until I started asking guys out. I still get rejected but I got a yes three times so it works. My mom gives me crap for pursuing guys but I don't care. :P



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07 Apr 2011, 11:56 am

persuing a guy is half the fun...
why should they get all the fun of the chase?