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25 Nov 2011, 4:02 pm

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I suppose that you could just be wired to be miserable.

sounds about right, guess i know what to do then.


Well there are two things. You could kill yourself. Though I have two thoughts about that. There is the story of a man who jumped off the Golden Gate Bridge and survived. On the way down he claims that he thought to himself "this was a really stupid thing to do".

Many years ago as an ambulance attendant I had to transport a person who did not quite succeed. She was in a persistent vegetative state.

The second thing is that I would suggest that you look at this as a problem to be solved. How much research have you done on depression, and things that can 'fix it'? As I said, there is running. I discovered that when you are low on O2, your body / mind really does not care about much else, and running does generate positive chemicals. There is also marijuana. WP people tend more to logic so why not try that route. Use logic to solve a problem. Brains can, in fact, in most cases, be re-wired to a certain extent. Might as well give it a try.
I would also try a nutrition route. Hell try everything.

And if you read the Gulag Archipelago, you may discover how wonderful your life is in comparrison to that of other people


no, suicide is the only way to trully fix it


I don't know whether you're being sarcastic or not.



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25 Nov 2011, 4:03 pm

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I like how on every page he actually tells us anew how bad his life is. He just doesn`t know how bad it can really be for people.


I do find his constant down-putting of himself irritating too, however I really hate that argument. So what if someone elses life is worse? It doesn't lesson someone elses suffering. Different people can cope with different levels of suffering.


Look at people living in the slums, they learned to deal with their sh**. He should be happy to have running water.


I used to live on the street. So what? Does that make his pain any less real. No, it doesn't. Get off your high-horse.


My family lives of 5 people lives from €300 per month at the moment, i get bullied at school, i also don`t have real friends, i spent all my time doing useless stuff behind the PC, maybe i am a little depressed. I have no "remarkable" skills, my mother suffers from a personality disorder, All you can do to carry on is to deal with it.

I don`t think it makes his pain less real, but if you compare the crap you`re going through to people who got it worse SHOULD make you feel quite lucky because it could`ve been so much worse.


In that case your life has been a breeze in comparison to mine. But that is beside the point.
I just don't see why you feel the need to step on someone when they're obviously struggling as it is.
Anyway, not really my problem. Just seems a little cruel - if you dislike his whining, leaving him alone seems like the best thing to do instead of being quite rude. Just my two cents anyway.


great advice


I like how you disregard my latest post, not even quoting it. Its rather pathetic to say the least. But thats what you do, bending things so it fits you.


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25 Nov 2011, 4:05 pm

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I suppose that you could just be wired to be miserable.

sounds about right, guess i know what to do then.


Well there are two things. You could kill yourself. Though I have two thoughts about that. There is the story of a man who jumped off the Golden Gate Bridge and survived. On the way down he claims that he thought to himself "this was a really stupid thing to do".

Many years ago as an ambulance attendant I had to transport a person who did not quite succeed. She was in a persistent vegetative state.

The second thing is that I would suggest that you look at this as a problem to be solved. How much research have you done on depression, and things that can 'fix it'? As I said, there is running. I discovered that when you are low on O2, your body / mind really does not care about much else, and running does generate positive chemicals. There is also marijuana. WP people tend more to logic so why not try that route. Use logic to solve a problem. Brains can, in fact, in most cases, be re-wired to a certain extent. Might as well give it a try.
I would also try a nutrition route. Hell try everything.

And if you read the Gulag Archipelago, you may discover how wonderful your life is in comparrison to that of other people


no, suicide is the only way to trully fix it


I don't know whether you're being sarcastic or not.


Sorry I'm talking about my problems not yours



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25 Nov 2011, 10:54 pm

Look, I'm in no way shape or from trying to diminish someone else problems and/or trying to put my problems ahead of anyone elses. You all should be commended for getting though your situation and making something of your lives.

It's just that when it comes to someone like me, who lacks the skills, talents, mental toughness, willpower, etc to make it though these situations, you people don't understand.


I mean you just look at your problems/situations and how you've dealt with them and think, "Hey, if I can do it, so can he. No excuses"

It's simply not true. People are born a different functioning levels. Everyone isn't the same. Stop comparing and projecting your situation to others.

Just because I can type decently a on message board doesn't make me any more capable.



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25 Nov 2011, 11:22 pm

The main thing I think with you is, you got a big bunch of problems. The way to solve any problem like that is just fix it gradually, that's all you can do, unless someone on here just decided to give you 10K to blow instantly to move out of his neighborhood, buy new clothes, a car, etc, you'll have to fix everything gradually. It's crappy, and not fun, and obviously requires patience on your part, but if you do try at it, you will succeed....eventually. The problem comes when you stop trying.

Really, I don't know much about you, I can make specific suggestions, etc, but really, it all comes down to just making as many little changes as you possibly can, and the little changes will add up. I don't know what your priorities are, but you gotta just do something. Problems don't just fix themselves. Just do something no matter how minuscule it is in the "grand scheme" of things, because in your current position you don't have power to fight the "big things" in your life. Eventually, doing "little things" will work a war of attrition against the big things.



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25 Nov 2011, 11:50 pm

Note: I haven't read the thread. My apologies if I'm repeating something that's already been posted...

Now here we go.

@MR20:

Drop and give me ten pushups, ten situps. Then go take a shower.

Tomorrow night, eleven pushups and eleven situps. Then go take a shower.

Night after that, twelve pushups, twelve situps. Then go take a shower.

Keep it up. Increase by one rep a day until you can't do more without muscle failure (just DO NOT make yourself sick). Keep at that for a week, then try going up by another rep.

Take a shower every night after working out.

Eventually, get into weight work at the local gym. That stuff is really good for you, a month of fairly mild weight training and I went from a stick to a guy who is thin, but who -definitely- has chest, shoulder, and arm muscles.

Just don't forget to keep up the natural gravity calisthentics, like pushups and situps. If you can get your hands on a pullup bar, do pullups. Start with two. Add one every week, if you can.

If you're already in decent shape, then increase until your starting reps leave you feeling relatively tired. Unless ten pushups -is- your max, and there's nothing to be ashamed of there (two years ago I couldn't do a proper pushup at all), then do all ten if you can.

Just keep it up, bro. You will get stronger. You will get in better shape. And it is -incredibly- motivating. I used to hate working out, I never saw the point. Now I kinda love it. It hurts when you really get going, but it hurts good and you wind up getting bigger and stronger because of it.

And trust me... If you are strong, muscled, and Asperger's, you will be a presence. You will be able to lurk in a corner if you wish, not too many people will disturb you (and I'll bet they're mostly members of the opposite gender). You'll also be able to interact a bit. It's sad, but physical might is, literally, a powerful social force.

It's a starting point. Establishing a presence motivates -you- and it helps you start learning social skills and how to take care of yourself. It's a great starting point. And it will make you an equal.


Also, read. Find a topic you care about. Read and learn. You are not mentally ill and stupid, you are a specialist, like all Asperger's and autistic cases. Find your specialization and learn, even if that means just browsing Wikipedia (that's what I do xD). You're made of a different kind of iron than most people are. It's your job to add the coal and flame to make yourself steel... But you can do it. You can. Just work at it. If it's something so very simple as ten pushups, ten situps, and a shower, that's still a great start. After all, where did Chuck Norris start? Probably with ten pushups, ten situps, and a shower. (Okay, maybe he used dumbbells or something, but that's irrelevant.) Where did Albert Einstein start? He probably read a book. (No Wikipedia in his day.)

Not saying you will, or have to, come as far as either of them. But a start is a great thing, and may lead you surprising places.

Good luck to you.



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26 Nov 2011, 1:06 am

I agree, once I lost weight and changed my posture and gained muscle, people started treating me very much different.



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26 Nov 2011, 8:27 pm

What do I have to draw confidence from, huh? What skills, talents, features, and/or qualities do I have that would make me dateable or someone people would like to hang out with. And please don't give me that BS about being able to type half-decent on a keyboard.

I'm tired of being a loser and feeling this way. I just want to feel like I'm wanted. Like there's at least one person that would date, or just plain hang out with me. I'm tired of feeling useless and being a nobody.



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26 Nov 2011, 11:39 pm

If you are "tired of it", why do you continue to beat yourself up? Or are you just looking for sympathy from others? I can tell you for certain that no one is going to want you around if all you're going to do is be negative. When you do that, you bring others down with you and no one wants that. Start thinking positive and develop a good attitude. Only then will things start falling into place.



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27 Nov 2011, 12:23 am

Heyhey! I didn't read through all of this thread, but so much of hit home. The depressed self-hating poster (me) and the chorus of people telling you (me) to shut up and grow a pair!

Hahaha.... Ah well. Reality is based on cause and effect right? So why do you feel so sh***y? Because you fail at everything. Why do you suck? Genetics.

What has helped me-and THE ONLY thing that has helped me AT ALL....is medication. I dunno if you are on anything right now, but you need to get on some more stuff ASAP.

People are shoving fecal matter down your throat about your "bad attitude". That's what drugs are for! They change us into people....people that aren't so suicidal & miserable all day all night. Sure, I'm still dumb, ugly, do-nothing, but at least I got some dope-amine squirtin' in my brain every once in a while. And too much is never enough. If you still feel bad, ask for MORE. MORE DRUGS. If that person won't give you some find someone who will. Anti-depressants...all of it.

And maybe...just maybe....it will help a bit. And that may....snowball into SOME success in life. Anyway, that has been my experience. It's still a struggle, but I just always ask for more and more drugs to try and stop being such a miserable loser.

Uhhh...But I can't help you contact health-care professionals. Maybe your parents or someone on this board can help.



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27 Nov 2011, 12:28 am

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Heyhey! I didn't read through all of this thread, but so much of hit home. The depressed self-hating poster (me) and the chorus of people telling you (me) to shut up and grow a pair!

Hahaha.... Ah well. Reality is based on cause and effect right? So why do you feel so sh***y? Because you fail at everything. Why do you suck? Genetics.

What has helped me-and THE ONLY thing that has helped me AT ALL....is medication. I dunno if you are on anything right now, but you need to get on some more stuff ASAP.

People are shoving fecal matter down your throat about your "bad attitude". That's what drugs are for! They change us into people....people that aren't so suicidal & miserable all day all night. Sure, I'm still dumb, ugly, do-nothing, but at least I got some dope-amine squirtin' in my brain every once in a while. And too much is never enough. If you still feel bad, ask for MORE. MORE DRUGS. If that person won't give you some find someone who will. Anti-depressants...all of it.

And maybe...just maybe....it will help a bit. And that may....snowball into SOME success in life. Anyway, that has been my experience. It's still a struggle, but I just always ask for more and more drugs to try and stop being such a miserable loser.

Uhhh...But I can't help you contact health-care professionals. Maybe your parents or someone on this board can help.


I hope you're joking.



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27 Nov 2011, 12:40 am

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I hope you're joking.


No way! I'm exactly like this guy and got the same advice on forums, so many years ago. And I reacted the same way he did!

Think about it though. Why is someone happy and someone sad? It's mostly INTERNAL. Right? Chemicals and such. So you just need to change the chemicals inside your brain. That's what anti-depressants and other psychotropics are for!

I know I sound cavalier, but I really am trying to help... That's why I registered here. I don't think I'll post much. Don't want to end up harassed or anything. Embroiled in internet drama.

So...really find a psychiatrist and just keep pestering them for more medication. Try different kinds, different dosages. The squeaky wheel gets the grease and all that.

Edit: To be clear-this is all that has worked FOR ME. I'm not an authority or anything. But I empathize. Oh how I empathize.



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27 Nov 2011, 12:40 am

MacDragard wrote:
DetestableInsect wrote:
Heyhey! I didn't read through all of this thread, but so much of hit home. The depressed self-hating poster (me) and the chorus of people telling you (me) to shut up and grow a pair!

Hahaha.... Ah well. Reality is based on cause and effect right? So why do you feel so sh***y? Because you fail at everything. Why do you suck? Genetics.

What has helped me-and THE ONLY thing that has helped me AT ALL....is medication. I dunno if you are on anything right now, but you need to get on some more stuff ASAP.

People are shoving fecal matter down your throat about your "bad attitude". That's what drugs are for! They change us into people....people that aren't so suicidal & miserable all day all night. Sure, I'm still dumb, ugly, do-nothing, but at least I got some dope-amine squirtin' in my brain every once in a while. And too much is never enough. If you still feel bad, ask for MORE. MORE DRUGS. If that person won't give you some find someone who will. Anti-depressants...all of it.

And maybe...just maybe....it will help a bit. And that may....snowball into SOME success in life. Anyway, that has been my experience. It's still a struggle, but I just always ask for more and more drugs to try and stop being such a miserable loser.

Uhhh...But I can't help you contact health-care professionals. Maybe your parents or someone on this board can help.


I hope you're joking.


This.

MORE DRUGS isn't funny. Medicating the s**t out of yourself isn't funny. It's not healthy either. If you're doing it, no, bad. I understand your life may be hard. But you're capable of improving.

You don't feel sh***y because you are sh***y, you don't feel sh***y because of horribly flawed genes, you feel sh***y because you're depressed because -society- is sh***y but makes those it rejects feel shity for not fitting its six-pack football player image.

That or you feel sh***y because one of your millions of lines of genetic code is f****d up and you have genetic depression, which also sucks, but it's one line of code, it's not your entire life.


Y'know, I was going to be nice and not really, really rant about the whole "grow a pair" thing, but Detestable, you either need professional help -now- or you're a horrible troll who deserves to be my moving-target practice for trying to make someone depressed feel even worse.

Grow a pair. Yes. Grow a pair. Find a way beyond the drugs. There is one. I made it, ain't no reason y'all can't either, we're all Aspies. One and the same as far as I'm concerned. Just because some of y'all are 'lower-functioning' while I'm 'high-functioning' doesn't mean a whole lot, you can still overcome your issues to some extent.

And believe it or not, people actually start to recognize intellectual value over physical value a little later in life - so it seems - so you're not done for life.

Jeez, this is just sad. I understand depression. I understand that you feel there's no way out, because I've been there myself.

Trust me. I - have - experienced - this. The feeling of not having any way out.

Thing is, you do have a way out, just don't give the hell up. Keep moving forward. Think unconventionally. You use drugs or overmedicate to deal with your problems? Go run instead. Run until you're too tired and too hurting to worry about feeling sorry for yourself, then sleep and eat it off. Work out too.


Oh how I wish I could help you out in real life... The things I could show you to make you better. Legally. With nothing but your own body weight and an internet connection somewhere, plus a little time.

But I can't, nobody here can, you're going to have to learn to help yourselves. You are actually worthwhile. You've managed to survive this far, and in a far worse bind than most. You're more suited, not less. Now actually start working to overcome the other deficiencies you haven't overcome and you'll be good to go.



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27 Nov 2011, 12:53 am

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Y'know, I was going to be nice and not really, really rant about the whole "grow a pair" thing, but Detestable, you either need professional help -now- or you're a horrible troll who deserves to be my moving-target practice for trying to make someone depressed feel even worse.

Grow a pair. Yes. Grow a pair. Find a way beyond the drugs. There is one. I made it, ain't no reason y'all can't either, we're all Aspies. One and the same as far as I'm concerned. Just because some of y'all are 'lower-functioning' while I'm 'high-functioning' doesn't mean a whole lot, you can still overcome your issues to some extent.

And believe it or not, people actually start to recognize intellectual value over physical value a little later in life - so it seems - so you're not done for life.


I need professional help? That's what I am advocating! When I say drugs-I mean medication. Not cocaine or anything.

I didn't read this whole thread, just the first few pages. Just wanted to quickly chime in with a helpful suggestion. I mean really aren't most of these replies just along the lines of, "everyone has problems - you need to pick yourself up by your own bootstraps!" Don't you think we would do that if we could? It's like you guys think we are masochists or something.

Also - intellectual value? Are you kidding? I'm a dummy!

Why am I always called a troll? Geez, even HERE of all places. Have a nice day.



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27 Nov 2011, 1:19 am

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Why am I always called a troll? Geez, even HERE of all places. Have a nice day.


Even though I understood the reasoning behind your viewpoint, I admit I LOL'd at the way you worded your suggestion, because it seems you were purposefully trying to look like you were flouting "popular values".



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27 Nov 2011, 11:41 am

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Y'know, I was going to be nice and not really, really rant about the whole "grow a pair" thing, but Detestable, you either need professional help -now- or you're a horrible troll who deserves to be my moving-target practice for trying to make someone depressed feel even worse.

Grow a pair. Yes. Grow a pair. Find a way beyond the drugs. There is one. I made it, ain't no reason y'all can't either, we're all Aspies. One and the same as far as I'm concerned. Just because some of y'all are 'lower-functioning' while I'm 'high-functioning' doesn't mean a whole lot, you can still overcome your issues to some extent.

And believe it or not, people actually start to recognize intellectual value over physical value a little later in life - so it seems - so you're not done for life.


I need professional help? That's what I am advocating! When I say drugs-I mean medication. Not cocaine or anything.

I didn't read this whole thread, just the first few pages. Just wanted to quickly chime in with a helpful suggestion. I mean really aren't most of these replies just along the lines of, "everyone has problems - you need to pick yourself up by your own bootstraps!" Don't you think we would do that if we could? It's like you guys think we are masochists or something.

Also - intellectual value? Are you kidding? I'm a dummy!

Why am I always called a troll? Geez, even HERE of all places. Have a nice day.

i like what you said and i even liked the way you said it.

people must realise it's your opinion and you're entitled to it - it is legitimate advice you're offering. meds work for a lot of people, and if someone is stuck in a chronically negative and depressive midset it could work to shift them out of it. nothing wrong with that idea at all.


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