What is the main reason why guys have to do the approaching?

It is true, but sometimes your someone is already taken by someone else.
i often suicidal
Might not want to advertise that either.
another thing i don't like is how too many people argue that real men have the power, when in reality, women do the choosing

How often have I heard men scoping out every woman that they know, ranking them as a "3," or a "7," or whatever, or speculating about thier breasts, or their butt, or how they behave when they have sex? How often have you heard them complaining about women being "too fat," or whatever? Even guys who are single, and want to be in a relationship? Here's a hint: I hear it a lot. A guy who is single is almost always choosing to be single because he won't consider relationships with women who don't look like models.
While I'm not Clark Kent, I have enough testosterone to gain muscle with ease, to have a square jaw and to ace my computer science studies, I have a reasonably low amount of body fat and I have an IQ above what's required to join Mensa. Therefore, I won't date a woman who do not have enough estrogen to at least have a decent set of curves and generally feminine features, at least a career plan and at least an IQ of 100 or more. It has nothing to do with being shallow. I'm on the left side of the bell curve, therefore I do not want a girlfriend that's not.
Women became prizes (a befiting metaphor in a system where men risk humiliation, ridiccule and all that by carrying 90% of the burden of courtship) the day men became chemistry sets.

It is true, but sometimes your someone is already taken by someone else.
i often suicidal
Might not want to advertise that either.
another thing i don't like is how too many people argue that real men have the power, when in reality, women do the choosing

How often have I heard men scoping out every woman that they know, ranking them as a "3," or a "7," or whatever, or speculating about thier breasts, or their butt, or how they behave when they have sex? How often have you heard them complaining about women being "too fat," or whatever? Even guys who are single, and want to be in a relationship? Here's a hint: I hear it a lot. A guy who is single is almost always choosing to be single because he won't consider relationships with women who don't look like models.
Ok. I won't say that you are wrong. It's truth that I usually approach girls who are in my opinion "9"s and "10"s. Almost all of them want to be friends with me. They like me but not in a sexual way. So, they reject me.
The other girls who aren't 9s or 10s why don't they ask me out? I wouldn't say no, in the first place..
probably for the same reason you don't ask them out.

It is true, but sometimes your someone is already taken by someone else.
i often suicidal
Might not want to advertise that either.
another thing i don't like is how too many people argue that real men have the power, when in reality, women do the choosing

How often have I heard men scoping out every woman that they know, ranking them as a "3," or a "7," or whatever, or speculating about thier breasts, or their butt, or how they behave when they have sex? How often have you heard them complaining about women being "too fat," or whatever? Even guys who are single, and want to be in a relationship? Here's a hint: I hear it a lot. A guy who is single is almost always choosing to be single because he won't consider relationships with women who don't look like models.
While I'm not Clark Kent, I have enough testosterone to gain muscle with ease, to have a square jaw and to ace my computer science studies, I have a reasonably low amount of body fat and I have an IQ above what's required to join Mensa. Therefore, I won't date a woman who do not have enough estrogen to at least have a decent set of curves and generally feminine features, at least a career plan and at least an IQ of 100 or more. It has nothing to do with being shallow. I'm on the left side of the bell curve, therefore I do not want a girlfriend that's not.
and are you unwillingly single? Have you been that way for a while? If so, you're probably packing some disadvantages (like, for instance, being a condescending ass - not saying that you are, just that that's an example of a condition that would preclude a high-status woman from wanting to go out with you regardless of what your body and brain look like) that you're not willing to acknowledge.

It is true, but sometimes your someone is already taken by someone else.
i often suicidal
Might not want to advertise that either.
another thing i don't like is how too many people argue that real men have the power, when in reality, women do the choosing

How often have I heard men scoping out every woman that they know, ranking them as a "3," or a "7," or whatever, or speculating about thier breasts, or their butt, or how they behave when they have sex? How often have you heard them complaining about women being "too fat," or whatever? Even guys who are single, and want to be in a relationship? Here's a hint: I hear it a lot. A guy who is single is almost always choosing to be single because he won't consider relationships with women who don't look like models.
While I'm not Clark Kent, I have enough testosterone to gain muscle with ease, to have a square jaw and to ace my computer science studies, I have a reasonably low amount of body fat and I have an IQ above what's required to join Mensa. Therefore, I won't date a woman who do not have enough estrogen to at least have a decent set of curves and generally feminine features, at least a career plan and at least an IQ of 100 or more. It has nothing to do with being shallow. I'm on the left side of the bell curve, therefore I do not want a girlfriend that's not.
and are you unwillingly single? Have you been that way for a while? If so, you're probably packing some disadvantages (like, for instance, being a condescending ass - not saying that you are, just that that's an example of a condition that would preclude a high-status woman from wanting to go out with you regardless of what your body and brain look like) that you're not willing to acknowledge.
I'm currently not dating because I'm in college. If I was an ass, then I'd at least be very compatible with a b!tch. My previous relationship with a b!tch didn't end happily.
Also, I don't give a damn about status, I care about good genetics from a Darwinian perspective. I'd much rather date a geeky girl with few friends if she was attractive than I'd date an ugly and stupid girl with tons of friends who got wasted every weekend, but then again, you rarely see a popular girl who's ugly or stupid.
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It is true, but sometimes your someone is already taken by someone else.
i often suicidal
Might not want to advertise that either.
another thing i don't like is how too many people argue that real men have the power, when in reality, women do the choosing

How often have I heard men scoping out every woman that they know, ranking them as a "3," or a "7," or whatever, or speculating about thier breasts, or their butt, or how they behave when they have sex? How often have you heard them complaining about women being "too fat," or whatever? Even guys who are single, and want to be in a relationship? Here's a hint: I hear it a lot. A guy who is single is almost always choosing to be single because he won't consider relationships with women who don't look like models.
While I'm not Clark Kent, I have enough testosterone to gain muscle with ease, to have a square jaw and to ace my computer science studies, I have a reasonably low amount of body fat and I have an IQ above what's required to join Mensa. Therefore, I won't date a woman who do not have enough estrogen to at least have a decent set of curves and generally feminine features, at least a career plan and at least an IQ of 100 or more. It has nothing to do with being shallow. I'm on the left side of the bell curve, therefore I do not want a girlfriend that's not.
and are you unwillingly single? Have you been that way for a while? If so, you're probably packing some disadvantages (like, for instance, being a condescending ass - not saying that you are, just that that's an example of a condition that would preclude a high-status woman from wanting to go out with you regardless of what your body and brain look like) that you're not willing to acknowledge.
I'm currently not dating because I'm in college. If I was an ass, then I'd at least be very compatible with a b!tch. My previous relationship with a b!tch didn't end happily.
Also, I don't give a damn about status, I care about good genetics from a Darwinian perspective. I'd much rather date a geeky girl with few friends if she was attractive than I'd date an ugly and stupid girl with tons of friends who got wasted every weekend, but then again, you rarely see a popular girl who's ugly or stupid.
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and women hate being put on pedestals
...meaning that in either scenario - men lose.

and women have the power of choosing, i don't get why people say men have that power too, when after all, women just have to accept or decline, the fate is in their hands
So, if I want to have sex with Matt Damon, all I have to do is show up in his presence and then 'accept' his inevitable proposition? He has no control at all?
Eeewww.
I like Matt Damon, but what a repulsive mental construct that is. I wouldn't want to have sex with anyone who thought that he had no choice in the matter.
Men have choices, too, guys. To pretend that they do not is to denigrate yourselves and your entire gender. You are not some sort of automatons with no free will.
So why is it, again, that men frequently whine when I want to pay for my own meal on a date...?
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So why is it, again, that men frequently whine when I want to pay for my own meal on a date...?
Because being walking ATM's is all we men are worth for, so if you pay your own meal you're taking from us the only thing we've got left and we men don't like that

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So why is it, again, that men frequently whine when I want to pay for my own meal on a date...?
Because being walking ATM's is all we men are worth for, so if you pay your own meal you're taking from us the only thing we've got left and we men don't like that


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Well, it's tough for some of us men to get a date. Not only do we have to approach women, we have to know how to talk them, what to say, and how to hold conversation. If you say one wrong thing that can break the whole thing.
like I said in other thread going up to a woman and talking to woman is just a very small part.
How many men can approach women but get label as ''creep'' or get put into the ''friendzone''.
the way that some people like I want to have a life will get a date is two things have to happen
1-women would have to approach men
2- this is most important; they would not care about aspie men flaws.
basically they would have to think ''like a man'' and being be able to eat the whole pie and not just leave the crust.
women will date only 90% of men but leave 10% out (which are the shy,aspie,social anxiety,adam sandler)
men will date 100% of the women.
all women can find a date because men don't care about women flaws. women do care alot about men's flaws.
so want to have a life until women don't give a crap about men being shy,socialy akward, not being tough, weak conversation skills.
You are possible out of luck unless you can somehow become an alpha male.
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