NT women cant stand aspie men!

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For whoever is after some evidence, I refer to this:

http://www.nih.gov/news/pr/aug2004/niaaa-02.htm

This is for the US, but one can extend this to the world. Note the percentage of those with ASPD and those with HPD (histrionic personality disorder). Now add to that the statistics that people with NPD are estimated to be around 1% of the population. And add in all the other types of people that may be considered pathological narcissists and abusers. And we have a percentage greater than 1%.

I know 70,000,000 is a large number but when it's out of 7 billion, it's not as large as it is when standing on its own.

I figured I'd just come in, be a smartass, and throw in a random answer just to lighten the mood of this thread. Honestly, I don't know how many people are abusive or narcissistic either, but unfortunately, from the people I know offline at least, it's quiiiiiite a few. But it very likely doesn't mean that it's even across the board.

I don't recall which thread it was, but I recall well you challenged me to estimate how much %; and you obviously believed it was 1% there.

Post the whole link of thread instead of selectively quoting.


Or you are not too brave to do that?

Sorry, hyperlexian, if you felt attacked. I don't think any of us meant it to be that way.

Boo, i never quoted a number - you decided i was saying 1%, and i didn't ever say that. if you want to keep arguing this, go back to the thread where you were originally debating this instead of dragging it over here (it was the friendzone thread).

it's ok, MCalavera. i appreciate that, though!! ! the original topic under discussion in the other thread was far different to what it morphed to over here. i am honestly not so deluded that i would think that sociopaths etc are incredibly rare (one book put them at 1/30 in the population <--- there's an actual number that i suspect might be true).

I used to be more skeptical of sociology and psychology, but after having spent extensive time with numerous sociologists and seeing how their work has been applied to the real world, I'm a bit more convinced.

http://www.epjournal.net/wp-content/upl ... 899909.pdf
http://www.scientificamerican.com/artic ... sonalities
http://newsroom.ucla.edu/portal/ucla/i- ... 39857.aspx

You're at least marginally scientifically literate, is it really so hard for you face the reality that human being are, like all other animals, perfectly explainable? Everything we do can be broken down, just like every other aspect of this clockwork universe. There's already a lot of evidence out there, the piles of evidence explaining human sexual behavior get bigger and bigger every year.



Before I respond to this, are you one of those people that thinks all humans are magically created equal somehow? Let the Gods forbid a man from trying to rise above his peers, right? You seem like a very good example of this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tall_poppy_syndrome

You're the kind of person to chop down the taller poppies.



I started out as a Christian who desperately wanted to believe that God really does exist and that evil doers will actually be smited in hell and all that jazz. I'm not exactly known for holding on irrationally to viewpoints once the evidence begins to mount against me. Really, I'd prefer a universe a little more flowerly like the one you believe in, but that's just not what the preponderance of evidence points towards. It's harsh, it's brutal, but it's the truth, an ugly truth I wish would go away but...it won't.



My head is stuck in a hole called "hard reality". Yours is stuck in a hole that wants to believe humans are some magical creatures that defy the laws of the universe and that true altruism really exists. While I envy the fact that it lets you be happy, I don't envy holding wool over one's own eyes.



I would love to debate this further, but I'll be honest I have a hard time figuring out what you're trying to tell me. I'm going to guess that English isn't your first language, I'm really not following what you're saying.



To be fair, at least I've learned to stop hating people about it so much. We're all just a bunch of biological replicators doing whatever our biological programming tells us to do.

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I know the title is meant to be trolling but ACTUALLY it's true, most NT women don't like socially awkward guys who can't make physical contact, make them feel uncomfortable, make awkward eyecontact or none at all and are too scared to openly display their attraction for the girl.

the same way most guys don't like fat ugly chicks. It's all curable though, both the fat ugliness for the girls and social awkwardness for the guys. You shouldn't even be worrying about finding a girl who likes aspies or whatever, instead you should be working on fixing the sh***y personality traits, and yes they are sh***y, of AS so that you can be more attractive

From my experience, NT women tend to avoid me like the plague.

I very rarely get interest, but from women I haven't any interest in. Never from the girl I actually like. Maybe I'm a terrible person, but I am honestly not a bad looking guy. I feel like I deserve someone attractive.

Id like to say, it was suggested that negative people have bad things given to them due to their negativity. I find this concept silly at best, is it not possible they became negative due to how many bad things happen to them?

This. When bad things continue to happen to you, it turns your outlook very negative.

Of course. But it really isn't that nuts to suggest that when people's experiences lead them to develop that negative attitude, the attitude itself only exacerbates those experiences, and as a result they keep happening, and the person becomes more and more jaded each time, leading to even more negative experiences, resulting in a self-perpetuating cycle of loathing. Like a veritable Ouroboros of s**t.

Remember, this is all just speculation on my part and I don't claim anything I say to be necessarily true, I'm just expressing my thoughts.

I'd wager it is true. The worst part of having been handed a shittier life is that it's a positive feedback loop. Trying to crawl your way out of that pit is a non-stop endeavor.

Talking about abuse...

Yeah in a funny way though I know its not always true that NT women cant stand aspie men though thats why I got people to look and said just kidding. I am sure there are a few good NT women out there you just gotta know where to look.

Look at this, Mr. Otaku! 11 pages of misanthrope and whinging and arguing, all because of you! This would have never happened hadn't you started this thread!

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.....lol jk. We'd have done it in another thread anyway.

From my personal view I still thought, it would be easier for men then for women. For me all the social stuff is extreme hard. I can put much effort in it, and the outcome is barely to notice. Problem for me is: Many NT Men link women only to that social stuff. So all advantages you can have, are bound someway on being a status symbol, being nice, being a mother replacement and so on.

The advantages I have, hard skills like being good at learning, leading to being good at school, having a good school education, being an engineer now, earning sufficient money is something which many men dont interest. So after years, to my surprise, I met someone by accident, but only after I already surrenderd and accepted to have no relationship ever and live on my own.

So I accept that its socially for you as bad as for me. But for me it seems that you have a socially for men much more appreciated alternative: Just ignore the social stuff, focus on working and earning money and by this way earning advantages which are for men accepted, when it comes to dating and relationships.

I mean if I take a person of our company: This men is just so an idiot i could puke when seeing him. Really mentally dumb, socially dumb, egoistic, absolute no responsibility, absolute no skills you could respect him for, within he is still like a child and if you would not carry him his ass behind, he would forget it somewhere. But hes got money from his parents. So whenever he is out at weekends, he seems to have no problem with girls. (He is phoning with them during week, so we know about them.)

So I am really whondering, because from my oppinion it always seemed that you have it much easier: Earn money with hard skills, have a big car, build a house you can offer your potential female partner - and lots of women seem to come like the moths to the light. Do the same as a women: Get devalued as battle-feminist. -.- Instead of being appreciated for what you acchieved, its the opposite: NT-men feel that you took them their advantage as "family-provider". -.-

And its not only the guy in my company, so I see lots of really, really dumb guys, completely idiots, people you would jail in quarantine if dumbness was contagious. And all they have to do is wasting money for cloth with brand names, spending some drinks, and allright... there they go.

So for me it always seemed to me, that men would have it pretty easy. While everything most NT-men see as an advantage on women is crippled on me by the Asperger problem, everything NT-women see as an advantage on men I can provide because it is not affected by the Aspergerproblem. Being able to work hard, physical and mental, being responsible and so on, being able to provide a family and so on. Just that this is often seen as an misadvantage on me, because I am female.

So for me it always seemed, that if I was a man, sure i would be a geeky men. But surrounding me I see lots of social inaccurate men, having partners, because of that "hard skills" advantages, they can acchieve. Even if I maybe would not found a partner in my surrounding, because of this "modern fashion" society, I still had the alternative on trying to meet women from countries, where hard skills still are worth something. If my partner is from China, Thailand, Ucraine, Belrussia and so on... who cares, when we are both happy?

Instead I do well in my job, graduated a good school, dont avoid physical work by renewing our house on our own: And all I get are blames all the time, and that everything on me is wrong, because I dont care for the monthly fashion or other complete idiotic, nonsense stuff. -.-.